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I'd like to remind people that the pandemic does not significantly increase the risk of death for healthy people under 50. It makes little sense to force young

I'd like to remind people that the pandemic does not significantly increase the risk of death for healthy people under 50. It makes little sense to force young people to stay at home and get fired when the healthy are at little risk of dying and such a lockdown will not completely eliminate a pandemic.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
I thought that by now we wouldn't have to go over this every time. - This coronavirus spreads asymptomatically, which means people under 50 mingling with each other are deadly threats to people over 50. In particular, to their parents, grandparents, aunts, and neighbors. - The chance of dying is low for young people, the chance of suffering serious damage to lungs and other internal organs that takes months to recover is a bit higher (some of it may be permanent, but that's yet to be determined). - The chance of dying for everyone goes up several times if the medical system gets DDoSed by COVID patients. EDIT: > It makes little sense to force young people to stay at home and get fired One of the most important effects of the lockdown being done top-down by governments is that employers can no longer fire people who wanted to protect themselves, their families and their communities from getting sick. Leaving this choice entirely to individuals is in practice equivalent to forcing them to choose between staying safe and having a job.
- deathgrips 6y ago
  > people under 50 mingling with each other are deadly threats to people over 50 This is why those at risk of death should self-isolate. >the chance of suffering serious damage to lungs and other internal organs that takes months to recover is a bit higher Do you know where I can find the statistics for the risk of permanent lung scarring by age, or something approximating this? This is something I hadn't considered but would like to explore more. >The chance of dying for everyone goes up several times if the medical system gets DDoSed by COVID patients It's almost entirely getting DDoSed by old people. >employers can no longer fire people who wanted to protect themselves Employers are firing everyone. We're hitting some of the highest unemployment levels in American history. This is a moot point.
nostrademons 6y ago
This is incorrect. The infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 0.2% (1 in 500, or 200 per 100,000) for ages 20-40. [1] The baseline death rate for ages 25-29 is about 100 per 100,000. [2] Getting COVID-19 puts you at roughly triple the chance of death from all other causes combined. It's about 5x the risk of unintentional injury, 12x the risk of suicide, 16x the rate of homicide, 20x the risk of cancer, and 200x the risk from HIV or diabetes. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatalit... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf p. 4
- myk9001 6y ago
  Your comment says "The infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 0.2%" but you reference "Case fatality rate of COVID-19 by age" as the source. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate are two very, very different concepts. "The IFR differs from the CFR in that it aims to estimate the fatality rate in all those with infection: the detected disease (cases) and those with an undetected disease (asymptomatic and not tested group)... The IFR will always be lower than the CFR..." [1] Spanish government's estimates of COVID-19's IFR are[2]: For the age group under 50, the estimated IFR is about 0.003% For the age group 50 - 69 yo, it's 0.04% And for those over 70, it's 4.1% [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#Terminology [2] https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/ITCoronavirus.pdf https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/a... Look for the table on page 15
jazzyjackson 6y ago
As if there are no households with members above and below 50? Keeping all the elderly together in shared living spaces didn't work to their advantage by the way.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

I thought that by now we wouldn't have to go over this every time. - This coronavirus spreads asymptomatically, which means people under 50 mingling with each other are deadly threats to people over 50. In particular, to their parents, grandparents, aunts, and neighbors. - The chance of dying is low for young people, the chance of suffering serious damage to lungs and other internal organs that takes months to recover is a bit higher (some of it may be permanent, but that's yet to be determined). - The chance of dying for everyone goes up several times if the medical system gets DDoSed by COVID patients. EDIT: > It makes little sense to force young people to stay at home and get fired One of the most important effects of the lockdown being done top-down by governments is that employers can no longer fire people who wanted to protect themselves, their families and their communities from getting sick. Leaving this choice entirely to individuals is in practice equivalent to forcing them to choose between staying safe and having a job.

deathgrips 6y ago
> people under 50 mingling with each other are deadly threats to people over 50 This is why those at risk of death should self-isolate. >the chance of suffering serious damage to lungs and other internal organs that takes months to recover is a bit higher Do you know where I can find the statistics for the risk of permanent lung scarring by age, or something approximating this? This is something I hadn't considered but would like to explore more. >The chance of dying for everyone goes up several times if the medical system gets DDoSed by COVID patients It's almost entirely getting DDoSed by old people. >employers can no longer fire people who wanted to protect themselves Employers are firing everyone. We're hitting some of the highest unemployment levels in American history. This is a moot point.

nostrademons 6y ago

This is incorrect. The infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 0.2% (1 in 500, or 200 per 100,000) for ages 20-40. [1] The baseline death rate for ages 25-29 is about 100 per 100,000. [2] Getting COVID-19 puts you at roughly triple the chance of death from all other causes combined. It's about 5x the risk of unintentional injury, 12x the risk of suicide, 16x the rate of homicide, 20x the risk of cancer, and 200x the risk from HIV or diabetes. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatalit... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf p. 4

myk9001 6y ago
Your comment says "The infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 0.2%" but you reference "Case fatality rate of COVID-19 by age" as the source. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate are two very, very different concepts. "The IFR differs from the CFR in that it aims to estimate the fatality rate in all those with infection: the detected disease (cases) and those with an undetected disease (asymptomatic and not tested group)... The IFR will always be lower than the CFR..." [1] Spanish government's estimates of COVID-19's IFR are[2]: For the age group under 50, the estimated IFR is about 0.003% For the age group 50 - 69 yo, it's 0.04% And for those over 70, it's 4.1% [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#Terminology [2] https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/ITCoronavirus.pdf https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/a... Look for the table on page 15

jazzyjackson 6y ago

As if there are no households with members above and below 50? Keeping all the elderly together in shared living spaces didn't work to their advantage by the way.