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https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/06/who-are-americas-vegans-and-vegetarians-infographic/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/06

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/06/who-are-americas-vegans-and-vegetarians-infographic/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/06/who-ar... Vegans at most account for 3% of the population. In a corporate entity that large, it doesn’t matter if you miss a hire or not. So if a vegan was offended, I’m sure no one cared and was happy to offer the job to someone else.

hkyeti 6y ago
Hey good idea, deliberately exclude people who don't eat meat. You know who might end up being CEO level material
- TomMarius 6y ago
  "Don't send him the nice fish, he might be a vegetarian AND might be the next CEO"... Yeah, huh, I don't think that's the usual concern. I think many people wouldn't want to hire a person that takes offense from a misplaced but nice gesture, anyways - I would not.
  - hkyeti 6y ago
    If you're a hiring manager and can't even be bothered to know the most basic facts about me and that I might not like that piece or pork or salmon for religious or ethical reasons then that about says it all.
    - x43b 6y ago
      >If you're a hiring manager and can't even be bothered to >know the most basic facts about me and that I might not like >that piece or pork or salmon for religious or ethical >reasons then that about says it all. If you are a hiring manager and you are attempting to learn someone's religious or dietary beliefs prior to hiring then then you should be sued/fired.
      - lostlogin 6y ago
        The video posted shows Forstall wondering if the dead fish was a threat. He might be making this up but the situation is strange at best, confusing, offensive or threatening at worst. The person doing the hiring screwed up, and clearly did need to do better.
      - hkyeti 6y ago
        If you're of that view then why could you possibly think sending a dead fish to a candidate without checking first is ok in the first place. And yes when I've taken my candidates for lunch as part of recruiting I always ask for any dietary preferences so i can find a place that accommodates. It's just commonsense.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    > Yeah, huh, I don't think that's the usual concern Keep in mind that they missed out on Forstall. It seems unlikely he would have ended up CEO, but that’s not as far fetched as the prospects for most hires.
dharmab 6y ago
A large portion of MS employees are vegetarian because many Hindus are vegetarian. At MS Build they always have both vegetarian and Indian vegetarian options.
- jldugger 6y ago
  Yea, but ... due to the visa situation the vast majority of those folks are not getting the maximal courtship, so to speak.
  - dharmab 6y ago
    You are aware that there are many, many Hindus who are US citizens, yes? Who have been in the country since birth or early childhood?
    - jldugger 6y ago
      There are, but I suspect they are not as prevalent in the software engineering profession? Even the CEOs of Google and Microsoft took that track.
CathedralBorrow 6y ago
If it doesn't matter if you miss a hire or not, why would you be going through the effort of buying a large fancy salmon and shipping it to the candidate? You could just not do that and not care about the ones you miss since they don't matter.
mcv 6y ago
That's a very dismissive attitude to your hires, and it makes the salmon even more pointless. If you want to make a point about how good the salmon is, invite them and treat them to the best salmon in town, instead of dumping a dead fish that nobody asked for on their doorstep.

hkyeti 6y ago

Hey good idea, deliberately exclude people who don't eat meat. You know who might end up being CEO level material

TomMarius 6y ago
"Don't send him the nice fish, he might be a vegetarian AND might be the next CEO"... Yeah, huh, I don't think that's the usual concern. I think many people wouldn't want to hire a person that takes offense from a misplaced but nice gesture, anyways - I would not.
- hkyeti 6y ago
  If you're a hiring manager and can't even be bothered to know the most basic facts about me and that I might not like that piece or pork or salmon for religious or ethical reasons then that about says it all.
  - x43b 6y ago
    >If you're a hiring manager and can't even be bothered to >know the most basic facts about me and that I might not like >that piece or pork or salmon for religious or ethical >reasons then that about says it all. If you are a hiring manager and you are attempting to learn someone's religious or dietary beliefs prior to hiring then then you should be sued/fired.
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      The video posted shows Forstall wondering if the dead fish was a threat. He might be making this up but the situation is strange at best, confusing, offensive or threatening at worst. The person doing the hiring screwed up, and clearly did need to do better.
    - hkyeti 6y ago
      If you're of that view then why could you possibly think sending a dead fish to a candidate without checking first is ok in the first place. And yes when I've taken my candidates for lunch as part of recruiting I always ask for any dietary preferences so i can find a place that accommodates. It's just commonsense.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  > Yeah, huh, I don't think that's the usual concern Keep in mind that they missed out on Forstall. It seems unlikely he would have ended up CEO, but that’s not as far fetched as the prospects for most hires.

dharmab 6y ago

A large portion of MS employees are vegetarian because many Hindus are vegetarian. At MS Build they always have both vegetarian and Indian vegetarian options.

jldugger 6y ago
Yea, but ... due to the visa situation the vast majority of those folks are not getting the maximal courtship, so to speak.
- dharmab 6y ago
  You are aware that there are many, many Hindus who are US citizens, yes? Who have been in the country since birth or early childhood?
  - jldugger 6y ago
    There are, but I suspect they are not as prevalent in the software engineering profession? Even the CEOs of Google and Microsoft took that track.

CathedralBorrow 6y ago

If it doesn't matter if you miss a hire or not, why would you be going through the effort of buying a large fancy salmon and shipping it to the candidate? You could just not do that and not care about the ones you miss since they don't matter.

mcv 6y ago

That's a very dismissive attitude to your hires, and it makes the salmon even more pointless. If you want to make a point about how good the salmon is, invite them and treat them to the best salmon in town, instead of dumping a dead fish that nobody asked for on their doorstep.