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Japan, like the Netherlands, was not "locked down"

by DXA9zE 6y ago

the-dude 6y ago
Do you happen to live there? I do. Lots of shops closed, WFH for large parts of the population. Schools of all sorts closed, sports club closed, severe limits to groups of people. No hairdressing, no driving-school, I could go on. edit: I am talking about NL
- DXA9zE 6y ago
  Are you being arrested and criminally charged in Japan for being outside? Japan is not locked down. California is locked down.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - watwut 6y ago
    Why was this downvoted? It is true that there is difference between "it is illegal to go outside" and "a lot changed, but you still can go for walk or sport".
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      It is not illegal to go outside in California either. Walking, running, bicycling, etc. are encouraged.
      - ibejoeb 6y ago
        None of those things are "encouraged." There are non-stop radio spots telling people to stay home. You've got cheeky stuff like Randy Newman singing lyrics like "get away from me" to the frankly dystopian line from George Takei saying, "Stay in splendid isolation." The are otherwise normal people that are still terrified. Anecdotally, I know people who have had the thing and still won't participate in society because they are convinced that they could die. We've really done a good job of disturbing people, and we're going to see weird fallout from it.
        watwut 6y ago
        "get away from me" and "Stay in splendid isolation" don't exclude sport or going outside.
        mattigames 6y ago
        A lot of those terrified people did indeed die; exactly 1 every 4000 people (in the US), plus a lot more will die in the following months, not to mention the ones that "recover" but thanks to permanent damage to their lungs and other organs will die in the next few years due complications from it, so please let's not talk like those fears are unfounded.
        mikem170 6y ago
        1 in 4000 is not a lot, as deadly pandemics go. I'm not aware of numbers on permanent lung damage. Too much of the news seems to be fear-mongering anecdotes when we could really use all the objective facts we can get.
        mattigames 6y ago
        Permanent damage will only be calculated months or years from now, because x-rays and every other machine to investigate that has a slightly more important job right now, so any decision will probably have to be taken before we get the "objective facts" you want. You can call it fear mongering or whatever you want but the statistics show 1.3% death rate of infected in the us[0], meaning approx. 1 every 100 people with the virus is dying, and the white house estimates a max of 240.000 deaths before this ends[1], you could still say 1 every 2000 is not a lot, and then you may realize how important any number of deaths is its completely subjective based on your own perceived value of human lives, maybe even 3999 deaths every 4000 is not much for some people because logically speaking the surviving people can repopulate the planet, and maybe in such case we should be really worried about not injecting any fear mongering into that 1 person that will survive. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-death.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-news/ñ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-...
      - watwut 6y ago
        Thank you.
      - mehrdadn 6y ago
        In case anyone's looking for a specific link: "It’s okay to go outside to go for a walk, to exercise, and participate in healthy activities as long as you maintain a safe physical distance of six feet and gather only with members of your household. Below is a list of some outdoor recreational activities: Athletics, Badminton (singles), ..." https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/#outdoor https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/...
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269796.

Japan, like the Netherlands, was not "locked down"

by DXA9zE 6y ago

Japan, like the Netherlands, was not "locked down"

Do you happen to live there? I do. Lots of shops closed, WFH for large parts of the population. Schools of all sorts closed, sports club closed, severe limits to groups of people. No hairdressing, no driving-school, I could go on. edit: I am talking about NL

DXA9zE 6y ago
Are you being arrested and criminally charged in Japan for being outside? Japan is not locked down. California is locked down.
- deleted 6y ago
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- watwut 6y ago
  Why was this downvoted? It is true that there is difference between "it is illegal to go outside" and "a lot changed, but you still can go for walk or sport".
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    It is not illegal to go outside in California either. Walking, running, bicycling, etc. are encouraged.
    - ibejoeb 6y ago
      None of those things are "encouraged." There are non-stop radio spots telling people to stay home. You've got cheeky stuff like Randy Newman singing lyrics like "get away from me" to the frankly dystopian line from George Takei saying, "Stay in splendid isolation." The are otherwise normal people that are still terrified. Anecdotally, I know people who have had the thing and still won't participate in society because they are convinced that they could die. We've really done a good job of disturbing people, and we're going to see weird fallout from it.
      - watwut 6y ago
        "get away from me" and "Stay in splendid isolation" don't exclude sport or going outside.
      - mattigames 6y ago
        A lot of those terrified people did indeed die; exactly 1 every 4000 people (in the US), plus a lot more will die in the following months, not to mention the ones that "recover" but thanks to permanent damage to their lungs and other organs will die in the next few years due complications from it, so please let's not talk like those fears are unfounded.
        mikem170 6y ago
        1 in 4000 is not a lot, as deadly pandemics go. I'm not aware of numbers on permanent lung damage. Too much of the news seems to be fear-mongering anecdotes when we could really use all the objective facts we can get.
        mattigames 6y ago
        Permanent damage will only be calculated months or years from now, because x-rays and every other machine to investigate that has a slightly more important job right now, so any decision will probably have to be taken before we get the "objective facts" you want. You can call it fear mongering or whatever you want but the statistics show 1.3% death rate of infected in the us[0], meaning approx. 1 every 100 people with the virus is dying, and the white house estimates a max of 240.000 deaths before this ends[1], you could still say 1 every 2000 is not a lot, and then you may realize how important any number of deaths is its completely subjective based on your own perceived value of human lives, maybe even 3999 deaths every 4000 is not much for some people because logically speaking the surviving people can repopulate the planet, and maybe in such case we should be really worried about not injecting any fear mongering into that 1 person that will survive. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-death.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-news/ñ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-...
    - watwut 6y ago
      Thank you.
    - mehrdadn 6y ago
      In case anyone's looking for a specific link: "It’s okay to go outside to go for a walk, to exercise, and participate in healthy activities as long as you maintain a safe physical distance of six feet and gather only with members of your household. Below is a list of some outdoor recreational activities: Athletics, Badminton (singles), ..." https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/#outdoor https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/...

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269796.