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Yes. And that's a good thing. It makes the world a little less unequal.

by ajuc 6y ago

Barrin92 6y ago
Yeah I find the dismissive attitude towards outsourcing, in particular in tech hilarious. Disruption is not so fun if you're the person being disrupted. Bringing down employment borders would be one of the most transformative things we could do to raise global standards of living. Everyone should go and read Bryan Caplan's recent book on open borders.
- toohotatopic 6y ago
  It's not only the hopefully temporal inconvenience of being replaced. There is a finite amount of resources. If more people have the means to access them, less is available for those who currently consume them. Having 9 billion people sharing the earth will lead to huge improvements in replaceable resources. E.g. movies will be better, appliances will be better, etc. However, if you want to see the Mona Lisa, it's most likely that you will never get close.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  Uncontrolled immigration has all the attributes of invasions. Simply put, the folly of open borders is evident with a simple example Would you make an open invite for thanksgiving, so that anyone, inclusing perfect strangers, could walk in? And what if you did, would you be OK with our own family not getting to eat turkey because other guests had their bite? Thus this reveals a fundamental flaw in the approach for open borders. Thus, at its core, open borders is immoral because it fails the ethical notion of symetry. Open borders work if and only if the number of people who want to go come in to USA from say, China, equals those leaving US, wanting to go into China. Do not do to others what you don't want them to do to you. This is NNT's Silver Rule https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/02/taleb-rips-the-virtue-signaling-open-borders-imbeciles/ https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/02/taleb-rips-the-vi...
- mech422 6y ago
  It's not 'dismissive' it's just a bit more cautious now. Off-shoring has been a 'thing' for over 20 years, and so far wipro and friends haven't put us all out of work.
downerending 6y ago
Given a choice between equality and making life better for those at the bottom, I'll take the latter.
- ajuc 6y ago
  Those at the bottom in less wealthy countries included?
  - downerending 6y ago
    That's what I meant, yes.

Yes. And that's a good thing. It makes the world a little less unequal.

by ajuc 6y ago

Yes. And that's a good thing. It makes the world a little less unequal.

Yeah I find the dismissive attitude towards outsourcing, in particular in tech hilarious. Disruption is not so fun if you're the person being disrupted. Bringing down employment borders would be one of the most transformative things we could do to raise global standards of living. Everyone should go and read Bryan Caplan's recent book on open borders.

toohotatopic 6y ago
It's not only the hopefully temporal inconvenience of being replaced. There is a finite amount of resources. If more people have the means to access them, less is available for those who currently consume them. Having 9 billion people sharing the earth will lead to huge improvements in replaceable resources. E.g. movies will be better, appliances will be better, etc. However, if you want to see the Mona Lisa, it's most likely that you will never get close.
IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
Uncontrolled immigration has all the attributes of invasions. Simply put, the folly of open borders is evident with a simple example Would you make an open invite for thanksgiving, so that anyone, inclusing perfect strangers, could walk in? And what if you did, would you be OK with our own family not getting to eat turkey because other guests had their bite? Thus this reveals a fundamental flaw in the approach for open borders. Thus, at its core, open borders is immoral because it fails the ethical notion of symetry. Open borders work if and only if the number of people who want to go come in to USA from say, China, equals those leaving US, wanting to go into China. Do not do to others what you don't want them to do to you. This is NNT's Silver Rule https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/02/taleb-rips-the-virtue-signaling-open-borders-imbeciles/ https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/02/taleb-rips-the-vi...
mech422 6y ago
It's not 'dismissive' it's just a bit more cautious now. Off-shoring has been a 'thing' for over 20 years, and so far wipro and friends haven't put us all out of work.

downerending 6y ago

Given a choice between equality and making life better for those at the bottom, I'll take the latter.

ajuc 6y ago
Those at the bottom in less wealthy countries included?
- downerending 6y ago
  That's what I meant, yes.