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> promptly restored upon manual review. Promptly restored upon viral traction of outrage...just like that podcast app was....

chrisco255 6y ago
Exactly. What else aren't we hearing about that's being arbitrarily censored by YouTube? And can we really trust it as a platform? I'm losing more trust in Google every day. 10 years ago was "don't be evil." Now, they're just, "be only as evil as you can get away with."
- busymom0 6y ago
  The situation is very similar to what's happening with a lot of Android developers. Many incidents where their app gets banned or removed for silly things. One I remember was getting removed because they had the word "windows" in their play store metadata and Google banned it because of having third party platform name. Except the app was using the term "windows" in reference to a house window, not the OS. Emailing play store support is pretty much useless unless you are a big company or can generate enough viral outrage on social media for them to notice.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    At least on Android you can sideload apps...that's not the case on iOS
    - busymom0 6y ago
      I develop apps for both iOS and Android. There's pros and cons to both. I prefer developing for iOS as there's more money in it plus I enjoy the platform more but if people want more customization, Android is definitely better.
  - HAPMCEZ 6y ago
    come on everyone, this if not fair. This it just false positive and corporate policy. we all know that Western liberal democracies are based on the free flow of information, and they never censor not attempt to control information at all, not even via corporations. That would undermine the whole notion of an informed public and democratic process. The real evil perpetrators are China. We're not fascists, we never censor. we should focus on the bad ones who actually do.
- bdamm 6y ago
  Trump's interview where he calls Republicans suckers, for example.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  P E E R T U B E
  - busymom0 6y ago
    I haven't used Peertube. What are your thoughts on it?
    - polynomial 6y ago
      semble être une chose française
  - pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
    Google does not have the rights to any of those videos it is censoring? It is like academic publishing. Google is gatekeeper charging a fee (user privacy). Not sure if anyone has noticed but when logging in to a Gmail account, Google is trying to access a YouTube domain. Not too many weeks ago they announced a change in the YouTube terms of service. Sad to think every video you watch could be used to help online advertisers. Google is not like the public library. The public library does not use the list of every book or other item you borrowed to try to help the ad industry. Of course it is much more than just a list of videos. They probably record data such when you watched, what portions you watched, etc.
- 2019-nCoV 6y ago
  The abhorrent "safe space" culture was mostly contained to college campuses a decade ago. Unfortunately, every large left-leaning organisation across the US is now deeply steeped in it. You reap what you sow.
  - resfirestar 6y ago
    If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine. That would have a different ideological narrative attached, though. But I think, fundamentally, the motivations for a big tech company are different from those of a university. Universities are most interested in preventing disruption on campus that might lead to bad press (and less donations). Big tech platform owners tolerate all sorts of flamewars and offensive or misleading content until governments start talking about regulating them, at which point they try to "self-regulate" by purging everything related to whatever the governments are getting worked up about. So you have at least two types of incentives that lead to censorship of various views, and it's inaccurate to claim that the college campuses are somehow the root of both.
    - 2019-nCoV 6y ago
      > If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine. That's not who is being banned though: https://www.thefire.org/research/disinvitation-database/#home/?view_2_per_page=1000 https://www.thefire.org/research/disinvitation-database/#hom... > Big tech platform owners tolerate all sorts of flamewars and offensive or misleading content until governments start talking about regulating them, at which point they try to "self-regulate" by purging everything related to whatever the governments are getting worked up about. That's verifiably incorrect. The current administration abhors big tech censorship: https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1261692841136287745 https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/126169284113628774...
masnao 6y ago
one have to wonder, if users are already doing all the work to flag and make noise to restore the false positives, what value the centralizers of information even add? the case for p2p is stronger than ever now that bandwidth is cheaper. downloading a torrent from other users is faster than pressing play on youTube, when you account the time wasted with advertising.
- busymom0 6y ago
  I am with you on the p2p thing. I have been considering developing video streaming with p2p (similar to bitchute but better UI/UX). But despite that, p2p still needs a central server for the non-video elements like static files - images, css, html etc. Can't avoid it 100%
chintan 6y ago
Our Covid app was built for a local Govt in India with all official documentation and yet it was banned and no explanation.

chrisco255 6y ago

Exactly. What else aren't we hearing about that's being arbitrarily censored by YouTube? And can we really trust it as a platform? I'm losing more trust in Google every day. 10 years ago was "don't be evil." Now, they're just, "be only as evil as you can get away with."

busymom0 6y ago
The situation is very similar to what's happening with a lot of Android developers. Many incidents where their app gets banned or removed for silly things. One I remember was getting removed because they had the word "windows" in their play store metadata and Google banned it because of having third party platform name. Except the app was using the term "windows" in reference to a house window, not the OS. Emailing play store support is pretty much useless unless you are a big company or can generate enough viral outrage on social media for them to notice.
- thefounder 6y ago
  At least on Android you can sideload apps...that's not the case on iOS
  - busymom0 6y ago
    I develop apps for both iOS and Android. There's pros and cons to both. I prefer developing for iOS as there's more money in it plus I enjoy the platform more but if people want more customization, Android is definitely better.
- HAPMCEZ 6y ago
  come on everyone, this if not fair. This it just false positive and corporate policy. we all know that Western liberal democracies are based on the free flow of information, and they never censor not attempt to control information at all, not even via corporations. That would undermine the whole notion of an informed public and democratic process. The real evil perpetrators are China. We're not fascists, we never censor. we should focus on the bad ones who actually do.
bdamm 6y ago
Trump's interview where he calls Republicans suckers, for example.
ta17711771 6y ago
P E E R T U B E
- busymom0 6y ago
  I haven't used Peertube. What are your thoughts on it?
  - polynomial 6y ago
    semble être une chose française
- pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
  Google does not have the rights to any of those videos it is censoring? It is like academic publishing. Google is gatekeeper charging a fee (user privacy). Not sure if anyone has noticed but when logging in to a Gmail account, Google is trying to access a YouTube domain. Not too many weeks ago they announced a change in the YouTube terms of service. Sad to think every video you watch could be used to help online advertisers. Google is not like the public library. The public library does not use the list of every book or other item you borrowed to try to help the ad industry. Of course it is much more than just a list of videos. They probably record data such when you watched, what portions you watched, etc.
2019-nCoV 6y ago
The abhorrent "safe space" culture was mostly contained to college campuses a decade ago. Unfortunately, every large left-leaning organisation across the US is now deeply steeped in it. You reap what you sow.
- resfirestar 6y ago
  If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine. That would have a different ideological narrative attached, though. But I think, fundamentally, the motivations for a big tech company are different from those of a university. Universities are most interested in preventing disruption on campus that might lead to bad press (and less donations). Big tech platform owners tolerate all sorts of flamewars and offensive or misleading content until governments start talking about regulating them, at which point they try to "self-regulate" by purging everything related to whatever the governments are getting worked up about. So you have at least two types of incentives that lead to censorship of various views, and it's inaccurate to claim that the college campuses are somehow the root of both.
  - 2019-nCoV 6y ago
    > If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine. That's not who is being banned though: https://www.thefire.org/research/disinvitation-database/#home/?view_2_per_page=1000 https://www.thefire.org/research/disinvitation-database/#hom... > Big tech platform owners tolerate all sorts of flamewars and offensive or misleading content until governments start talking about regulating them, at which point they try to "self-regulate" by purging everything related to whatever the governments are getting worked up about. That's verifiably incorrect. The current administration abhors big tech censorship: https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1261692841136287745 https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/126169284113628774...

masnao 6y ago

one have to wonder, if users are already doing all the work to flag and make noise to restore the false positives, what value the centralizers of information even add? the case for p2p is stronger than ever now that bandwidth is cheaper. downloading a torrent from other users is faster than pressing play on youTube, when you account the time wasted with advertising.

busymom0 6y ago
I am with you on the p2p thing. I have been considering developing video streaming with p2p (similar to bitchute but better UI/UX). But despite that, p2p still needs a central server for the non-video elements like static files - images, css, html etc. Can't avoid it 100%

chintan 6y ago

Our Covid app was built for a local Govt in India with all official documentation and yet it was banned and no explanation.