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There are countries with a permanent dole. See the UK and other Northern Euro nations. You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cas

by zelly 6y ago

There are countries with a permanent dole. See the UK and other Northern Euro nations. You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cash alone (not counting all the other programs). Why isn't that the entrepreneurship capital of the world? Why is Europe still so poor? Why is America--the only place where there isn't a safety net and you can literally die on the street if you make too many bad decisions--the entrepreneurship capital of the world? Lots of businesses have been founded by people desperate to make a buck. Necessity is the mother of all invention. People take risks out of desperation, not for "fun".

DanBC 6y ago
> See the UK and other Northern Euro nations. You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cash alone (not counting all the other programs). In the UK we have a variety of disability benefits. Someone starting a claim today is probably going to apply for New Style ESA. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support-allowance-detailed-guide#how-much-new-style-esa-to-expect https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support... > If you have been found to have limited capability for work, you will move onto the ‘main phase’ for New Style ESA and you will get the basic allowance, plus a ‘support component’ if you are put in the support group. > basic allowance (standard rate) – up to £74.35 (per week) > support component – £39.20 (per week) ((74.35 + 39.20) * 52) / 12 = £492.05 per calendar month. That's €550 per month. To qualify for this with autism you'll need to persuade your GP to give you a referral to local MH services, and persuade them to give you a referral to an autism assessment service, and then you'd need to persuade two specialist healthcare professionals that you have autism. That will give you the diagnosis. However, the Department for Work and Pensions will use their own independent healthcare professionals and you'll need to pass that assessment. That's not seeing if you're autistic or not, that's seeing if you have impairments in your day to day life that interfere with your ability to work. These functional assessments are carried out every 3 years.
- misun78 6y ago
  Jeez, what a bureaucratic nightmare this sounds
Reedx 6y ago
Well, I think you can overdo it. Yang's proposal was $1k/mo, which seems more like the sweet spot.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  It'll never stay $1k a month because voters will vote in politicians that will increase it, year after year. We've already seen this happen with the US Social Security program. Why repeat something that is known not to work?
  - Reedx 6y ago
    Yeah, was hoping to hear how he planned to address that (unless I missed it?). It'd need to be indexed to something or have other hard controls to prevent that spiraling: "Vote for me, I'll increase it to $2k" "No, vote for me, I'll increase it to $3k!"
    - zelly 6y ago
      There are no controls. Once you put something like that in place and create a dependent population, there is no going back. It would take a violent revolution to repeal it.
nexuist 6y ago
> You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cash alone (not counting all the other programs). Do you think the type of person who would fake an autism diagnosis for $3k a month is the same type of person who could successfully run a profitable enterprise? My parents came to the USA $500 in debt. They had no place to stay and a 6 month old baby to raise. They refused all welfare programs out of pride except for Medicaid, because they needed a doctor to vaccinate me. 21 years later and we are comfortably living as an upper middle class family. They didn't get here by swindling bureaucrats, they got here through honest work and a quarter of a lifetime of pain. Most criminals stay stuck on the bottom rung for this reason: of course you might be able to sociopathically hustle your way to the top a la Theranos or Enron, but to do that you have to believe you are capable of honest work. Hustlers don't believe in anything except for their next hustling opportunity. For every successful hustle there are another 1000 failures that never got anywhere.
eli_gottlieb 6y ago
>Why is Europe still so poor? Sorry, what? The EU is the most highly developed unified economy on Earth. >Necessity is the mother of all invention. People take risks out of desperation, not for "fun". "People who can provide for themselves in dignity, won't let me whip them." You're expressing a strangely fetishized, sadomasochistic view of business. Perhaps you should take a cold shower?

by zelly 6y ago

DanBC 6y ago

> See the UK and other Northern Euro nations. You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cash alone (not counting all the other programs). In the UK we have a variety of disability benefits. Someone starting a claim today is probably going to apply for New Style ESA. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support-allowance-detailed-guide#how-much-new-style-esa-to-expect https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support... > If you have been found to have limited capability for work, you will move onto the ‘main phase’ for New Style ESA and you will get the basic allowance, plus a ‘support component’ if you are put in the support group. > basic allowance (standard rate) – up to £74.35 (per week) > support component – £39.20 (per week) ((74.35 + 39.20) * 52) / 12 = £492.05 per calendar month. That's €550 per month. To qualify for this with autism you'll need to persuade your GP to give you a referral to local MH services, and persuade them to give you a referral to an autism assessment service, and then you'd need to persuade two specialist healthcare professionals that you have autism. That will give you the diagnosis. However, the Department for Work and Pensions will use their own independent healthcare professionals and you'll need to pass that assessment. That's not seeing if you're autistic or not, that's seeing if you have impairments in your day to day life that interfere with your ability to work. These functional assessments are carried out every 3 years.

misun78 6y ago
Jeez, what a bureaucratic nightmare this sounds

Reedx 6y ago

Well, I think you can overdo it. Yang's proposal was $1k/mo, which seems more like the sweet spot.

ThrowawayR2 6y ago
It'll never stay $1k a month because voters will vote in politicians that will increase it, year after year. We've already seen this happen with the US Social Security program. Why repeat something that is known not to work?
- Reedx 6y ago
  Yeah, was hoping to hear how he planned to address that (unless I missed it?). It'd need to be indexed to something or have other hard controls to prevent that spiraling: "Vote for me, I'll increase it to $2k" "No, vote for me, I'll increase it to $3k!"
  - zelly 6y ago
    There are no controls. Once you put something like that in place and create a dependent population, there is no going back. It would take a violent revolution to repeal it.

nexuist 6y ago

> You just have to fake an autism diagnosis to get $3k euros a month in cash alone (not counting all the other programs). Do you think the type of person who would fake an autism diagnosis for $3k a month is the same type of person who could successfully run a profitable enterprise? My parents came to the USA $500 in debt. They had no place to stay and a 6 month old baby to raise. They refused all welfare programs out of pride except for Medicaid, because they needed a doctor to vaccinate me. 21 years later and we are comfortably living as an upper middle class family. They didn't get here by swindling bureaucrats, they got here through honest work and a quarter of a lifetime of pain. Most criminals stay stuck on the bottom rung for this reason: of course you might be able to sociopathically hustle your way to the top a la Theranos or Enron, but to do that you have to believe you are capable of honest work. Hustlers don't believe in anything except for their next hustling opportunity. For every successful hustle there are another 1000 failures that never got anywhere.

eli_gottlieb 6y ago

>Why is Europe still so poor? Sorry, what? The EU is the most highly developed unified economy on Earth. >Necessity is the mother of all invention. People take risks out of desperation, not for "fun". "People who can provide for themselves in dignity, won't let me whip them." You're expressing a strangely fetishized, sadomasochistic view of business. Perhaps you should take a cold shower?