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I live in Canada and they actively recommended against cloth mask wearing for the general public on the grounds that it leads to a "false sense of security" and

by aianus 6y ago

I live in Canada and they actively recommended against cloth mask wearing for the general public on the grounds that it leads to a "false sense of security" and "increases touching of one's face" and that asymptomatic persons do not spread COVID-19. "Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial". You can listen to Theresa Tam's (Canada's version of Dr. Fauci) exact words here: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/watch/tam-on-why-canadians-dont-need-to-wear-masks/vi-BB11VxFM https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/watch/tam-on-why-canadians-d... I think any reasonable person who defers to authority would have listened to this and come to the conclusion that there is no reason to wear a mask if they're asymptomatic and had no connection to a sick individual. They could even reasonably conclude that it would be dangerous as they would be touching their face and virus particles would accumulate on the outside of the mask. And they would have been wrong.

joshuamorton 6y ago
So here's what she said: - Prioritizing supply to healthcare workers is of the utmost priority - Current evidence supports wearing a mask if you're sick to prevent spreading droplets, also wearing a mask if you're in close contact with a symptomatic person - Masks can provide a false sense of security. Her final statement is "if people try to use these measures, they have to be really, really careful and wash their hands, absolutely. That's the key. So we're also worried about the potential negative impacts." All of that is sound advice, and it is dangerous to think that a mask will protect you without any other precautions. But it isn't a statement that one should not wear a mask, fullstop. It's a statement that one should still follow other cautions. IOW, a mask isn't a magical solution.
- aianus 6y ago
  "Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial", followed by a list of dangers posed by masks. It was a statement that masks are a placebo for the general public and actually require one to take extra precautions so that they don't make things worse. It couldn't have been more discouraging towards people on the fence about wearing a mask in late March.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    > Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial Since then, the understanding about asymptomatic carriers has changed. And in response, the government updated it's suggestion.
    - aianus 6y ago
      Good for them (not sarcastically). My point is that if the experts were wrong then, it’s certainly possible that some of what they are saying now is wrong too, and it should be acceptable to criticize them on YouTube and explore different possibilities and models.
      - joshuamorton 6y ago
        There exist (clearly functional) processes to improve the scientific consensus. The government changed its recommendation. Do you think they were convinced by a YouTube videos or perhaps did some other process cause then to amend their recommendations? If so, why not steer people toward that process, especially when the harm of wearing a mask is low, while the harm oh reopening the economy due to a lack of understanding the covid dangers is much greater?

by aianus 6y ago

joshuamorton 6y ago

So here's what she said: - Prioritizing supply to healthcare workers is of the utmost priority - Current evidence supports wearing a mask if you're sick to prevent spreading droplets, also wearing a mask if you're in close contact with a symptomatic person - Masks can provide a false sense of security. Her final statement is "if people try to use these measures, they have to be really, really careful and wash their hands, absolutely. That's the key. So we're also worried about the potential negative impacts." All of that is sound advice, and it is dangerous to think that a mask will protect you without any other precautions. But it isn't a statement that one should not wear a mask, fullstop. It's a statement that one should still follow other cautions. IOW, a mask isn't a magical solution.

aianus 6y ago
"Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial", followed by a list of dangers posed by masks. It was a statement that masks are a placebo for the general public and actually require one to take extra precautions so that they don't make things worse. It couldn't have been more discouraging towards people on the fence about wearing a mask in late March.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  > Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial Since then, the understanding about asymptomatic carriers has changed. And in response, the government updated it's suggestion.
  - aianus 6y ago
    Good for them (not sarcastically). My point is that if the experts were wrong then, it’s certainly possible that some of what they are saying now is wrong too, and it should be acceptable to criticize them on YouTube and explore different possibilities and models.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      There exist (clearly functional) processes to improve the scientific consensus. The government changed its recommendation. Do you think they were convinced by a YouTube videos or perhaps did some other process cause then to amend their recommendations? If so, why not steer people toward that process, especially when the harm of wearing a mask is low, while the harm oh reopening the economy due to a lack of understanding the covid dangers is much greater?