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Seriously? Nuclear war with China would probably end up devastating the entire planet. That is not the solution. It would just cause even more innocent people t

Seriously? Nuclear war with China would probably end up devastating the entire planet. That is not the solution. It would just cause even more innocent people to suffer and die.

jimmaswell 6y ago
China growing in power is incompatible with a free world. At some point we have to push back somehow. Taking HK and recognizing it as an independent nation would be a good start. What's your alternative, perpetual appeasement and turning a blind eye to everything they do? The economy used to be dependent on slave labor. The bandaid had to be ripped off at some point because it was wrong and the economy adjusted. The same has to be done for relations with the organ harvesting totalitarian gorilla in the room that we could all overpower if we came together.
- Trasmatta 6y ago
  > What's your alternative, perpetual appeasement and turning a blind eye to everything they do? Are you presenting a dichotomy where our only options are war (likely to be nuclear) or appeasement and turning a blind eye?
  - jimmaswell 6y ago
    If sanctions and diplomacy fail, what else is there?
    - Trasmatta 6y ago
      I'm not even convinced that the US would win a direct war with China. It would certainly result in the sacrifice of probably 100s of millions of lives, if it became nuclear. I feel like MAD will continue to be a very powerful force in preventing a full scale war with China. (Unless there's an accident an unpredictable event, which is something that keeps me up at night.) Everything else needs to be tried before we jump into "let's have a full scale war with China, one that we can't even be sure of winning, and would likely end in life becoming much worse for both the average US and Chinese citizens". We've barely even started trying, so let's not just jump to the worst possible solution.

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Seriously? Nuclear war with China would probably end up devastating the entire planet. That is not the solution. It would just cause even more innocent people t

by Trasmatta 6y ago

Seriously? Nuclear war with China would probably end up devastating the entire planet. That is not the solution. It would just cause even more innocent people to suffer and die.

jimmaswell 6y ago
China growing in power is incompatible with a free world. At some point we have to push back somehow. Taking HK and recognizing it as an independent nation would be a good start. What's your alternative, perpetual appeasement and turning a blind eye to everything they do? The economy used to be dependent on slave labor. The bandaid had to be ripped off at some point because it was wrong and the economy adjusted. The same has to be done for relations with the organ harvesting totalitarian gorilla in the room that we could all overpower if we came together.
- Trasmatta 6y ago
  > What's your alternative, perpetual appeasement and turning a blind eye to everything they do? Are you presenting a dichotomy where our only options are war (likely to be nuclear) or appeasement and turning a blind eye?
  - jimmaswell 6y ago
    If sanctions and diplomacy fail, what else is there?
    - Trasmatta 6y ago
      I'm not even convinced that the US would win a direct war with China. It would certainly result in the sacrifice of probably 100s of millions of lives, if it became nuclear. I feel like MAD will continue to be a very powerful force in preventing a full scale war with China. (Unless there's an accident an unpredictable event, which is something that keeps me up at night.) Everything else needs to be tried before we jump into "let's have a full scale war with China, one that we can't even be sure of winning, and would likely end in life becoming much worse for both the average US and Chinese citizens". We've barely even started trying, so let's not just jump to the worst possible solution.