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Civ 6 is deeper and better balanced than anything before it. What is your specific complaint?

Tomte 6y ago
I played a little bit, but what really made the beginning hard for me was that Barbarians suddenly "get away" from you. In V and earlier, a Barbarian came, your warrior killed him, fine. In VI the Barbarian is faster than you, so it gets out of sight quick, and from then on you get one wave of Barbarians after another. Also, I didn't understand the mechanics of the new religion system, but I think I got it on a basic level at least by now. In some ways, I like VI (the district system can be infuriating, but is basically a good idea), I like the graphics, as well, but I never got "into" it as I did with V.
- jldugger 6y ago
  Indeed, early game is hard because barbarians spawn repeatedly and out tech you. They only spawn from camps, so once you expand your area of influence it's less a problem but you need some way of dealing with spearmen early to really clear them out. The way it the barbarians work though is somewhat clever: they send out scouts, and it seems like until their scout spots your city they won't spawn attackers. So you're incentivized to harass their scouts early on at least, but it's not really explained in any fashion beyond perhaps a visual ding. After that the AI is so bad that you've basically won once the barbs are no longer threatening. I got back into civ 6 last month after a two year break and had forgotten this dynamic and kept starting over when the barbs felt overwhelming and killed a slinger or captured a cheeky unprotected settler.
  - qppo 6y ago
    The barb mechanic would be cool if it weren't for the fact that it's nigh impossible to catch the scouts due to movement and terrain mechanics.
- JakeTheAndroid 6y ago
  Barbs don't have a speed bonus AFAIK, but the terrain impacts movement significantly. So, if they are 'getting away from you' it's not because their barbs, it's because their unit has more movement and isn't moving through trees, or over hills/rivers.
  - Tomte 6y ago
    That's what I mean with "faster". I cannot keep up when chasing them. They often move one hex further than I can on the same path (and I think it's usually across rivers, but I don't remember it particularly clearly).
    - munchbunny 6y ago
      Scouts have fewer movement penalties through terrain and can therefore outrun your soldiers. The way to deal with that was to get horsemen or archers ASAP since your melee footsoldiers can't catch the scout.
    - JakeTheAndroid 6y ago
      Well, my point was that it was unit specific, not Barb specific. If you are chasing a Barb Scout with a Warrior, you'll never catch them. Scouts bypass movement penalties over hills and through trees, warriors don't. You also may be moving in a straight line over bad terrain, while the AI is making sure it is always using the flattest terrain to get the most movement per turn. TL;DR - The issue is unit specific. Build units that have more movement per turn, and have few penalties moving over bad terrain, and Barbs won't get away from you. Also, just a tip; Don't chase them. Focus on finding their camp, because thats where they spawn. If you start attacking that, Barbs will naturally come to defend it. Spend your movement and units to find and destroy the camp. Far more valuable than trying to eliminate specific Barb units. If left unchecked, the camp will spawn horseman or spearman which are much harder to deal with. It's way better to have a wandering scout on the map with no more barb spawn than hunting down a few scouts and leaving the camp in tact.
munchbunny 6y ago
Personal opinion, Civ 6 gameplay feels like it sacrificed some personality in the name of balance. Civ bonuses are more muted, so it feels like less personality. It introduced interesting new systems, but the agenda system usually feels more annoying than actually offering interesting long term strategic options. Same goes for religion, the religious combat mechanic is too fiddly, leading to me mostly just ignoring it. Civ 6 is a deeper game, but for whatever reason I can't put my finger on, it was just a bit less fun.
bespontovy 6y ago
Honest question: in what ways do you feel it to be deeper than Civ 4? (I'm a 4 fan who did not like 5, and now I'm wondering whether I should give 6 a try.)

I played a little bit, but what really made the beginning hard for me was that Barbarians suddenly "get away" from you. In V and earlier, a Barbarian came, your warrior killed him, fine. In VI the Barbarian is faster than you, so it gets out of sight quick, and from then on you get one wave of Barbarians after another. Also, I didn't understand the mechanics of the new religion system, but I think I got it on a basic level at least by now. In some ways, I like VI (the district system can be infuriating, but is basically a good idea), I like the graphics, as well, but I never got "into" it as I did with V.

jldugger 6y ago
Indeed, early game is hard because barbarians spawn repeatedly and out tech you. They only spawn from camps, so once you expand your area of influence it's less a problem but you need some way of dealing with spearmen early to really clear them out. The way it the barbarians work though is somewhat clever: they send out scouts, and it seems like until their scout spots your city they won't spawn attackers. So you're incentivized to harass their scouts early on at least, but it's not really explained in any fashion beyond perhaps a visual ding. After that the AI is so bad that you've basically won once the barbs are no longer threatening. I got back into civ 6 last month after a two year break and had forgotten this dynamic and kept starting over when the barbs felt overwhelming and killed a slinger or captured a cheeky unprotected settler.
- qppo 6y ago
  The barb mechanic would be cool if it weren't for the fact that it's nigh impossible to catch the scouts due to movement and terrain mechanics.
JakeTheAndroid 6y ago
Barbs don't have a speed bonus AFAIK, but the terrain impacts movement significantly. So, if they are 'getting away from you' it's not because their barbs, it's because their unit has more movement and isn't moving through trees, or over hills/rivers.
- Tomte 6y ago
  That's what I mean with "faster". I cannot keep up when chasing them. They often move one hex further than I can on the same path (and I think it's usually across rivers, but I don't remember it particularly clearly).
  - munchbunny 6y ago
    Scouts have fewer movement penalties through terrain and can therefore outrun your soldiers. The way to deal with that was to get horsemen or archers ASAP since your melee footsoldiers can't catch the scout.
  - JakeTheAndroid 6y ago
    Well, my point was that it was unit specific, not Barb specific. If you are chasing a Barb Scout with a Warrior, you'll never catch them. Scouts bypass movement penalties over hills and through trees, warriors don't. You also may be moving in a straight line over bad terrain, while the AI is making sure it is always using the flattest terrain to get the most movement per turn. TL;DR - The issue is unit specific. Build units that have more movement per turn, and have few penalties moving over bad terrain, and Barbs won't get away from you. Also, just a tip; Don't chase them. Focus on finding their camp, because thats where they spawn. If you start attacking that, Barbs will naturally come to defend it. Spend your movement and units to find and destroy the camp. Far more valuable than trying to eliminate specific Barb units. If left unchecked, the camp will spawn horseman or spearman which are much harder to deal with. It's way better to have a wandering scout on the map with no more barb spawn than hunting down a few scouts and leaving the camp in tact.

munchbunny 6y ago

Personal opinion, Civ 6 gameplay feels like it sacrificed some personality in the name of balance. Civ bonuses are more muted, so it feels like less personality. It introduced interesting new systems, but the agenda system usually feels more annoying than actually offering interesting long term strategic options. Same goes for religion, the religious combat mechanic is too fiddly, leading to me mostly just ignoring it. Civ 6 is a deeper game, but for whatever reason I can't put my finger on, it was just a bit less fun.

bespontovy 6y ago

Honest question: in what ways do you feel it to be deeper than Civ 4? (I'm a 4 fan who did not like 5, and now I'm wondering whether I should give 6 a try.)