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But criminals still need to be imprisoned, free country or no.

shadowgovt 6y ago
One would think a country that was, for want of a more specific term, "doing it right" would have fewer criminals. That the US has so much incarceration per-capita suggests something ain't working, if we respect freedom on paper but have to deprive more citizens of it than any other nation.
techntoke 6y ago
I wish this were the case, but they seem to disproportionately lock up African Americans while giving the rich white people a free pass on crime.
- waffle_ss 6y ago
  According to National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) numbers, across all races - African Americans included - the arrest rates for violent crimes correlates with the actual amount of crime committed by that race.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    That's a tricky number to tease out. One must ask how "actual amount of crime" is measured. Oftentimes, one finds a feedback loop between arrest rate counting and instances of crime counting that means all kinds of confounding factors enter into the number (including distribution of police patrol resources and likelihood police will let an infringement off with a warning).
    - waffle_ss 6y ago
      It's not very tricky at all. A random sampling of citizens are asked if they experienced violent crime (including instances not reported to police), and if so, to describe the offender (ethnicity being just one component).[1] Year after year the random samples of victimization correlates with arrest rate by ethnicity. [1]: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodology https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodolog...
      - ta17711771 6y ago
        I wonder if any of those surveyed included banking crimes in their list that affected them.
        waffle_ss 6y ago
        It’s a survey of violent crime. So if by banking crime you mean getting mugged, yes, but if you mean a guy from India calling your grandma and saying he’s the IRS and needs her banking info, then no.
- hnta142356 6y ago
  received my free crime pass just today

One would think a country that was, for want of a more specific term, "doing it right" would have fewer criminals. That the US has so much incarceration per-capita suggests something ain't working, if we respect freedom on paper but have to deprive more citizens of it than any other nation.

techntoke 6y ago

I wish this were the case, but they seem to disproportionately lock up African Americans while giving the rich white people a free pass on crime.

waffle_ss 6y ago
According to National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) numbers, across all races - African Americans included - the arrest rates for violent crimes correlates with the actual amount of crime committed by that race.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  That's a tricky number to tease out. One must ask how "actual amount of crime" is measured. Oftentimes, one finds a feedback loop between arrest rate counting and instances of crime counting that means all kinds of confounding factors enter into the number (including distribution of police patrol resources and likelihood police will let an infringement off with a warning).
  - waffle_ss 6y ago
    It's not very tricky at all. A random sampling of citizens are asked if they experienced violent crime (including instances not reported to police), and if so, to describe the offender (ethnicity being just one component).[1] Year after year the random samples of victimization correlates with arrest rate by ethnicity. [1]: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodology https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodolog...
    - ta17711771 6y ago
      I wonder if any of those surveyed included banking crimes in their list that affected them.
      - waffle_ss 6y ago
        It’s a survey of violent crime. So if by banking crime you mean getting mugged, yes, but if you mean a guy from India calling your grandma and saying he’s the IRS and needs her banking info, then no.
hnta142356 6y ago
received my free crime pass just today