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Sometimes I wonder how long "permanent" will be for these decisions. Off topic, but if the permanent work-from-home trend continues, I cannot imagine what is go

Sometimes I wonder how long "permanent" will be for these decisions. Off topic, but if the permanent work-from-home trend continues, I cannot imagine what is going to happen to commercial real estate. Convert to residential? Is this equilibrium needed for overheated housing markets?

djohnston 6y ago
That's an interesting point, I would guess they'd have no choice but to switch to condos or flats. But then if everyone is working anywhere why on earth would you live in SF. And why would companies hire in SF if they can pick up comparable talent at a fractional price from Romania. Lots of questions!
- pb7 6y ago
  If the glaring problems with SF were fixed, this is still one of the best places in the world to live quality-of-life wise. Weather, accessibility to some of the best nature in the world, great food, entertainment, etc.
  - djohnston 6y ago
    Yeah fair enough, but if my job let me live anywhere I think I could find a reasonable approximation for a significant CoL reduction somewhere else.
    - pb7 6y ago
      Sure, not denying that, but I think it's uncharitable to question why anyone would want to live here. There are many reasons. You personally may not strike that ideal cost-value balance but it's certainly there for many people, especially if the biggest reasons why people leave SF are gone -- cost, homelessness, and possibly politics (mostly related to homelessness and cost).
  - fourmyle 6y ago
    SF anywhere near Market or Mission is a 3rd world country. I just moved to Seattle. The QoL difference is striking.
    - pb7 6y ago
      Yeah, it sucks. From my few visits to Seattle, it seemed similar in parts but I haven't spent enough time there to make a confident assertion.
      - fourmyle 6y ago
        It might just be the current situation but I have seen maybe 4 homeless in 3 weeks in my day to day and I take a lot of walks. Could just be looking in the wrong spots but there were literally 20 tents on my block near Bart in the Mission so its an upgrade.
        pb7 6y ago
        Found this: https://www.seattle.gov/homelessness/unauthorized-encampments/emphasis-map https://www.seattle.gov/homelessness/unauthorized-encampment... I do recall some Seattlites mentioning one specific area that is particularly bad by name but don't recall that name.
        fourmyle 6y ago
        I think I heard Pioneer Square is bad, just walked there the other day and it's not anything like SFs bad areas. There could just be better options for homeless during the shutdown here than SF though. I will reserve full judgement until things are back open. People are going to be surprised by the state of the FiDi in SF when things open back up. Many tents have gone up there with everyone gone and WFH. Going to be interesting when people go back to the office there.
    - dehrmann 6y ago
      This varies block-to-block. It's fine by Embarcadero, OK around Powell, sketchy as fuck at 6th.
- Traster 6y ago
  I think you might see companies considering hiring people who live in Bakersfield, Sacramento, maybe even Nevada instead of San Francisco, but there's a vast difference between "usually working from home", and "Needs an international flight to get to the office" and "Literally works in a time zone that doesn't share any office hours with their boss".
heartbreak 6y ago
Some commercial real estate will be leased out as individual offices to people who have WFH jobs but want to have an office (don't have space at home, etc.).
- apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
  WeWork will rise again
kylestlb 6y ago
I have been crowing about this for years now. WFH by default could easily relieve pressure from the housing market at least in places where there are lots of people who have a job where they can WFH. I would absolutely live 2 hours from an office if I only had to go in once every week or two. I'd live further if it was once a month.
- fourmyle 6y ago
  Gonna be great when you get a pay cut according to your new housing costs.
  - __turbobrew__ 6y ago
    pull the 'ol Gitlab tactic

djohnston 6y ago

That's an interesting point, I would guess they'd have no choice but to switch to condos or flats. But then if everyone is working anywhere why on earth would you live in SF. And why would companies hire in SF if they can pick up comparable talent at a fractional price from Romania. Lots of questions!

pb7 6y ago
If the glaring problems with SF were fixed, this is still one of the best places in the world to live quality-of-life wise. Weather, accessibility to some of the best nature in the world, great food, entertainment, etc.
- djohnston 6y ago
  Yeah fair enough, but if my job let me live anywhere I think I could find a reasonable approximation for a significant CoL reduction somewhere else.
  - pb7 6y ago
    Sure, not denying that, but I think it's uncharitable to question why anyone would want to live here. There are many reasons. You personally may not strike that ideal cost-value balance but it's certainly there for many people, especially if the biggest reasons why people leave SF are gone -- cost, homelessness, and possibly politics (mostly related to homelessness and cost).
- fourmyle 6y ago
  SF anywhere near Market or Mission is a 3rd world country. I just moved to Seattle. The QoL difference is striking.
  - pb7 6y ago
    Yeah, it sucks. From my few visits to Seattle, it seemed similar in parts but I haven't spent enough time there to make a confident assertion.
    - fourmyle 6y ago
      It might just be the current situation but I have seen maybe 4 homeless in 3 weeks in my day to day and I take a lot of walks. Could just be looking in the wrong spots but there were literally 20 tents on my block near Bart in the Mission so its an upgrade.
      - pb7 6y ago
        Found this: https://www.seattle.gov/homelessness/unauthorized-encampments/emphasis-map https://www.seattle.gov/homelessness/unauthorized-encampment... I do recall some Seattlites mentioning one specific area that is particularly bad by name but don't recall that name.
        fourmyle 6y ago
        I think I heard Pioneer Square is bad, just walked there the other day and it's not anything like SFs bad areas. There could just be better options for homeless during the shutdown here than SF though. I will reserve full judgement until things are back open. People are going to be surprised by the state of the FiDi in SF when things open back up. Many tents have gone up there with everyone gone and WFH. Going to be interesting when people go back to the office there.
  - dehrmann 6y ago
    This varies block-to-block. It's fine by Embarcadero, OK around Powell, sketchy as fuck at 6th.
Traster 6y ago
I think you might see companies considering hiring people who live in Bakersfield, Sacramento, maybe even Nevada instead of San Francisco, but there's a vast difference between "usually working from home", and "Needs an international flight to get to the office" and "Literally works in a time zone that doesn't share any office hours with their boss".

heartbreak 6y ago

Some commercial real estate will be leased out as individual offices to people who have WFH jobs but want to have an office (don't have space at home, etc.).

apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
WeWork will rise again

kylestlb 6y ago

I have been crowing about this for years now. WFH by default could easily relieve pressure from the housing market at least in places where there are lots of people who have a job where they can WFH. I would absolutely live 2 hours from an office if I only had to go in once every week or two. I'd live further if it was once a month.

fourmyle 6y ago
Gonna be great when you get a pay cut according to your new housing costs.
- __turbobrew__ 6y ago
  pull the 'ol Gitlab tactic