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I really couldn't disagree more. While I understand the desire to work with your coworkers in person, the benefits of working from home are huge for me. No com

by strig 6y ago

I really couldn't disagree more. While I understand the desire to work with your coworkers in person, the benefits of working from home are huge for me. No commuting, which on its own is reason enough for WFH since it's such a massive waste of time. Commuting would add an extra 10 hours to my workweek, and I don't get paid for it. Add in things like control over your own workspace, no "open office" nonsense, access to your own kitchen/bathroom, together all outweighs the benefits of working from the office. The ideal situation for me would be WFH by default, with the option to work from an office if you want to or for specific situations.

peruvian 6y ago
Commuting is the big time saver, but you can also do chores you'd relegate to the weekend or after work while WFH. Not always of course, but chores like a quick grocery trip, laundry, cleaning, errands in your immediate neighborhood no longer crowd your weekend.
- strig 6y ago
  Exactly. Instead of going out for lunch I can pop over to the grocery store for a few things and grab a sandwich while I'm there.
- danlugo92 6y ago
  This is a recipe for disaster, at least in my experience, chores pile up and before you know it's 4pm and you still short on hours worked/output emitted..
  - peruvian 6y ago
    Not in my experience. I'm not saying disappear from work for 3 hours to clean the whole house. When I'm in the office, I often take breaks - 20-30 mins. Sometimes a longer walk during lunch time. I'm simply doing the same here but instead of being on my phone I'm maybe doing a quick vacuum sweep, trip to the bodega for some hand soap, or dropping off my laundry somewhere. I do have friends that work for companies that expect them to be "online" all the time so this may not work for them.
  - DJHenk 6y ago
    Do you have so many chores that you spend every day until 4pm doing them? Of course not. Because when you worked at an office, you also did not spend that much time on them. I love to mix chores with work, because your mind gets a break and you're still doing something useful. And most of the time, in the back of your head you're unconsciously still solving the problem that you were working on. So when you get back at your keyboard, you can continue right away. How can anyone not like this enormous productivity boost? I think that working from home will stay and that some kind of work discipline will be a skill people are just required to have. You know, like being able to communicate professionally and to keep promises.
- julianeon 6y ago
  Lol, found the guy who doesn't have kids. I don't want this to come across as overly harsh. But a helpful rule of thumb to understand what life is like after having kids, is: there is no free time. None! It's like being in the military, where you wake up at 6am, shower until 6:30am, do calisthenics until 9:30am... and so on, with every single hour occupied, until bedtime, promptly at 9:00pm. If you tell a person like that 'just watch a movie during your free time,' they'll look at you blankly and say, 'I don't have free time, not on my schedule.' Why are things so different? Because not only do you have another person(s) making messes who do like 0% of the cleanup, they require much more care than adults. So free time trends to 0%. There's no 'weekend' in the sense of no work (there's always housework), in a sense there's no 'after work.' There's only work, as far as the eye can see. So for example, with commuting, I don't have enough time to do housecleaning, so the house stays in a permanent state of ugly messiness. Without it, I can apply that time to cleaning, so it becomes only moderately, to slightly, messy. There's no big block of free time - nowhere - where I can do stuff to bring back the time that's lost by commuting.
  - cpach 6y ago
    Thank you for telling it like it is. Some parents tend to always tell the “peachy keen” version of parenthood. I love my kids of course, but taking care of small kids can be very exhausting.
  - sekai 6y ago
    I mean kids do grow-up you know? Unless your 18 years olds still do nothing.
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  - m3kw9 6y ago
    Wait a sec, who takes care of your kid when you are away? Most ppl with kids would pay for day cares or they have school as well. I’m not understanding how your day can be occupied unless the kid is 0-1.
  - nucleardog 6y ago
GhostVII 6y ago
I think that is totally reasonable - for me the benefits of WFH don't outweigh the cost but for a significant percentage of developers I'm sure they do. I think where you get problems is cases where a company only has a minority of people WFH, or working in an office. Whenever you have a team that is primarily in an office, with only a couple of people remote, the people working remotely seem to miss out on a lot of important discussions and don't really feel as much a part of the team, at least in my experience. Ideally you would have both types of work fully supported, Stripe having their next engineering hub be remote [0] sounds like a good compromise to me. I'm interested in knowing how managers and PM's find working from home, to me it seems like being in management would magnify the problems you have with working remotely, but I've never been a manager so I don't really know. [0] https://stripe.com/blog/remote-hub https://stripe.com/blog/remote-hub
- m3kw9 6y ago
  You gonna seem tech apps that allow that type of discussion sooner than you think.
SwiftyBug 6y ago
To me commuting is a huge source of stress. I'm often mentally exausted by wednsday.
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johnghanks 6y ago
I actually can't believe how many people are crying because they miss talking with their coworkers. Sounds to me like they're the office distractions ruining everyone else's productivity. You may like your office conversations, I like not having to commute to work, not being distracted, and making my work space mine. Try picking up a phone or hop on Slack instead of attempting to sabotage WFH because you're a social butterfly.

by strig 6y ago

peruvian 6y ago

Commuting is the big time saver, but you can also do chores you'd relegate to the weekend or after work while WFH. Not always of course, but chores like a quick grocery trip, laundry, cleaning, errands in your immediate neighborhood no longer crowd your weekend.

strig 6y ago
Exactly. Instead of going out for lunch I can pop over to the grocery store for a few things and grab a sandwich while I'm there.
danlugo92 6y ago
This is a recipe for disaster, at least in my experience, chores pile up and before you know it's 4pm and you still short on hours worked/output emitted..
- peruvian 6y ago
  Not in my experience. I'm not saying disappear from work for 3 hours to clean the whole house. When I'm in the office, I often take breaks - 20-30 mins. Sometimes a longer walk during lunch time. I'm simply doing the same here but instead of being on my phone I'm maybe doing a quick vacuum sweep, trip to the bodega for some hand soap, or dropping off my laundry somewhere. I do have friends that work for companies that expect them to be "online" all the time so this may not work for them.
- DJHenk 6y ago
  Do you have so many chores that you spend every day until 4pm doing them? Of course not. Because when you worked at an office, you also did not spend that much time on them. I love to mix chores with work, because your mind gets a break and you're still doing something useful. And most of the time, in the back of your head you're unconsciously still solving the problem that you were working on. So when you get back at your keyboard, you can continue right away. How can anyone not like this enormous productivity boost? I think that working from home will stay and that some kind of work discipline will be a skill people are just required to have. You know, like being able to communicate professionally and to keep promises.
julianeon 6y ago
Lol, found the guy who doesn't have kids. I don't want this to come across as overly harsh. But a helpful rule of thumb to understand what life is like after having kids, is: there is no free time. None! It's like being in the military, where you wake up at 6am, shower until 6:30am, do calisthenics until 9:30am... and so on, with every single hour occupied, until bedtime, promptly at 9:00pm. If you tell a person like that 'just watch a movie during your free time,' they'll look at you blankly and say, 'I don't have free time, not on my schedule.' Why are things so different? Because not only do you have another person(s) making messes who do like 0% of the cleanup, they require much more care than adults. So free time trends to 0%. There's no 'weekend' in the sense of no work (there's always housework), in a sense there's no 'after work.' There's only work, as far as the eye can see. So for example, with commuting, I don't have enough time to do housecleaning, so the house stays in a permanent state of ugly messiness. Without it, I can apply that time to cleaning, so it becomes only moderately, to slightly, messy. There's no big block of free time - nowhere - where I can do stuff to bring back the time that's lost by commuting.
- cpach 6y ago
  Thank you for telling it like it is. Some parents tend to always tell the “peachy keen” version of parenthood. I love my kids of course, but taking care of small kids can be very exhausting.
- sekai 6y ago
  I mean kids do grow-up you know? Unless your 18 years olds still do nothing.
- deleted 6y ago
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- m3kw9 6y ago
  Wait a sec, who takes care of your kid when you are away? Most ppl with kids would pay for day cares or they have school as well. I’m not understanding how your day can be occupied unless the kid is 0-1.
- nucleardog 6y ago

GhostVII 6y ago

I think that is totally reasonable - for me the benefits of WFH don't outweigh the cost but for a significant percentage of developers I'm sure they do. I think where you get problems is cases where a company only has a minority of people WFH, or working in an office. Whenever you have a team that is primarily in an office, with only a couple of people remote, the people working remotely seem to miss out on a lot of important discussions and don't really feel as much a part of the team, at least in my experience. Ideally you would have both types of work fully supported, Stripe having their next engineering hub be remote [0] sounds like a good compromise to me. I'm interested in knowing how managers and PM's find working from home, to me it seems like being in management would magnify the problems you have with working remotely, but I've never been a manager so I don't really know. [0] https://stripe.com/blog/remote-hub https://stripe.com/blog/remote-hub

m3kw9 6y ago
You gonna seem tech apps that allow that type of discussion sooner than you think.

SwiftyBug 6y ago

To me commuting is a huge source of stress. I'm often mentally exausted by wednsday.

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johnghanks 6y ago

I actually can't believe how many people are crying because they miss talking with their coworkers. Sounds to me like they're the office distractions ruining everyone else's productivity. You may like your office conversations, I like not having to commute to work, not being distracted, and making my work space mine. Try picking up a phone or hop on Slack instead of attempting to sabotage WFH because you're a social butterfly.