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This is far too much power for the govt or healthcare industry to have over people. A lot of people won't know they need to opt-out, and the opt-out can be, or

This is far too much power for the govt or healthcare industry to have over people. A lot of people won't know they need to opt-out, and the opt-out can be, or become, very burdensome. I know you want to stop wasting valuable organs from dead people that could go to help living people - and I do too! I just don't want people to lose agency over their own lives and body parts. Then there are the wicked, amoral, heartless people - like me - who think people should be free to sell their organs if they want to. I would personally sell any of my organs (after I'm dead) for $1 each. But as a form of protest against the current system, I won't ever willingly donate them. I hope you'll reconsider.

mattigames 6y ago
People lose their agency when they die, after that there is no agency to lose.
xtreme 6y ago
While I don't think being able to sell your organs is immoral or unethical, there are practical ramifications that makes it difficult to agree with your position. If organ selling is legalized, poor people will be coerced by force or by money. And they may not realize the full health implications of that until much later, where they have no recourse. As a society, we generally try to prevent people from entering such unfair contracts, e.g, you can't agree to become a slave, or establishing ceiling on interest rates to limit predatory lending. People willing to sell their organs are probably desperate enough to agree to anything, and saving them is worthwhile.
eeZah7Ux 6y ago
> Then there are the wicked, amoral, heartless people - like me - who think people should be free to sell their organs if they want to. The act of creating a market for organs is intrinsically morally repugnant. Money are just an tool used by humanity, not the other way around.
bborud 6y ago
And I'm sure your little rebellion against The System may feel good, but here's what I think you should do. Go to your nearest dialysis clinic and offer to keep people strapped to a dialysis machine for 5 hours, 3 days per week company. It might occur to you that your childish ideas about "sticking it to the man" is ignorant horseshit.
trixie_ 6y ago
You created a straw man by saying opting out is burdensome and then attacked the fictional scenario you yourself created. Anyways with an opt out system the market for 'sold' organs would probably be non-existent.
mrlala 6y ago
>I won't ever willingly donate them. >I hope you'll reconsider. Yeah well, I hope you'll reconsider too. This is all basically a "greater good" argument end of the day that you either agree that if your body can be used to help others then it should be or the alternative is you are a selfish ass. There is honestly no inbetween here.

mattigames 6y ago

People lose their agency when they die, after that there is no agency to lose.

xtreme 6y ago

While I don't think being able to sell your organs is immoral or unethical, there are practical ramifications that makes it difficult to agree with your position. If organ selling is legalized, poor people will be coerced by force or by money. And they may not realize the full health implications of that until much later, where they have no recourse. As a society, we generally try to prevent people from entering such unfair contracts, e.g, you can't agree to become a slave, or establishing ceiling on interest rates to limit predatory lending. People willing to sell their organs are probably desperate enough to agree to anything, and saving them is worthwhile.

eeZah7Ux 6y ago

> Then there are the wicked, amoral, heartless people - like me - who think people should be free to sell their organs if they want to. The act of creating a market for organs is intrinsically morally repugnant. Money are just an tool used by humanity, not the other way around.

bborud 6y ago

And I'm sure your little rebellion against The System may feel good, but here's what I think you should do. Go to your nearest dialysis clinic and offer to keep people strapped to a dialysis machine for 5 hours, 3 days per week company. It might occur to you that your childish ideas about "sticking it to the man" is ignorant horseshit.

trixie_ 6y ago

You created a straw man by saying opting out is burdensome and then attacked the fictional scenario you yourself created. Anyways with an opt out system the market for 'sold' organs would probably be non-existent.

mrlala 6y ago

>I won't ever willingly donate them. >I hope you'll reconsider. Yeah well, I hope you'll reconsider too. This is all basically a "greater good" argument end of the day that you either agree that if your body can be used to help others then it should be or the alternative is you are a selfish ass. There is honestly no inbetween here.