I stopped being an active user of Reddit about 5 years ago. I felt that it wasn't a forum that was conductive to interesting discussion. But also, I know it's

I stopped being an active user of Reddit about 5 years ago. I felt that it wasn't a forum that was conductive to interesting discussion. But also, I know it's a cliche to talk about the eternal September effect, but somehow it feels like the discourse in the site is even more stupid today. At least to me it seems like it's just useful as a problem and answer site you Google on. But now it seems like to some of users they feel like the website is the definer and trendsetter of western culture. Instead of a website where people post memes and shit post. Like what am I reading? That there's a shadowy cabal of moderators? Who cares if they're running the big subreddits? Even who cares if they're being paid by companies to post things. Reddit is website that does little moderation themselves (except when it gets them in the news) and rely on volunteers to actually manage the site. What do expect? That people are going to spend 10s or hours a week for the joy of community? So they can make Reddit's employees and shareholders money? When it comes to Facebook people say "if you're not paying for it, you're the product" But it's the same for Reddit. But this time it's the users which are taking advantage? Oh no. But perhaps I don't understand the seriousness of Reddit.