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That's not what I understand. > diagnostic data collection (telemetry) is not enabled for private builds > this data collection is covered by windows 10 priva
by Voloskaya 6y ago
That's not what I understand.
> diagnostic data collection (telemetry) is not enabled for private builds
> this data collection is covered by windows 10 privacy, You can find the windows 10 privacy statement and details of controlling the diagnostic and feedback settings here.
So if you build from source, you can disable it, and if you don't build from source but install it from the store, then telemetry is controlled by the central privacy settings in Windows 10.
Presumably this would be a problem only if you specifically don't want MS to have telemetry from winget, but you also specicifically want them to have telemetry on the rest of your OS, which would be... weird.
- ccmcarey 6y agoIt's not quite so clear. The data collection policy linked in the comment (that can be controlled in settings) distinguishes between required and optional data collection. It's possible to disable optional data collection, but not required data collection. Here's one of the elements that is required (and so it cannot be disabled): Information about your device, its settings and capabilities, including applications and drivers installed on your device I find that quite obtrusive.
- Voloskaya 6y agoThe required telemetry is already gathered by windows 10 though. My point is to say that if you disable the optional telemtry in W10, then presumably winget doesn't collect anything. So while I agree with you that the required telemetry is obtrusive, it's not new and it's not related to winget.
- ccmcarey 6y agoThis project collects usage data and sends it to Microsoft to help improve our products and services It's this type of broad data collection disclaimer that I find lacking in modern products. Usage data? It's not clear what that is, or what exactly is being recorded, and what is sent that is required, and what is sent that is optional.
- lonelappde 6y agoThis is an impossible problem. If they underdeclare, they invite a lawsuit. If they overdeclare, they get accused of malfeasance they aren't even doing. If they open the whole business to transparency, they become victims of commerical espionage and expose their users' data to invasion.
- rrobukef 6y agoHow often have you seen the words: "Including but not limited to ..."? This is not an impossible problem.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoHow about just providing a link to an actual payload (with example data)? And within the installed application, providing the ability to review all the data that was recorded and set?
- bradford 6y agoWindows lets you view the data that is being gathered on your machine, this would include the package manager: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/diagnostic-data-viewer-overview https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/diagnostic-... MS adheres to GDPR export/delete requirements. Failure to adhere risks litigation so it's not something that MS is just going to willy-nilly flaunt. It's frustrating reading a lot of comments that are of the form "Why doesn't MS just do XYZ?" from individuals who don't seem to know that MS is already doing that. [disclaimer, MS employee]
- TeMPOraL 6y agoThanks. I guess this is just Cunningham's law in action. https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law
- ptx 6y agoWhy doesn't MS just stop forcibly collecting data from my machine? Is it just that I don't know that they're already stopping?
- monadic2 6y ago> The required telemetry is already gathered by windows 10 though. Wait, what? What broadcasts from my computer after I disable telemetry?
- hendersoon 6y agoYou can't disable telemetry on Windows Home or Enterprise in any supported way. You can either hack through multiple registry and task manager entries or use a third-party program. I suggest Shutup10. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
- justinclift 6y agoAny idea if there are Open Source equivalents?
- ccmcarey 6y agoA large amount of data. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468236/diagnostics-feedback-and-privacy-in-windows-10-microsoft-privacy https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468236/diagnostics... Required telemetry (that cannot be disabled): * Basic error information to help determine whether problems your device is experiencing can be addressed by the update process. * Information about your device, its settings and capabilities, including applications and drivers installed on your device, to ascertain whether your device is ready for and compatible with the next operating system or app release and ready for update. * Logging information from the update process itself to understand how well your device’s updates are proceeding through the stages of downloading, pre-installation, post-installation, post-reboot, and setup. * Data about the performance of updates on all Windows devices to assess the success of an update’s deployment and to learn device characteristics (e.g., hardware, peripherals, settings, and applications) that are associated with the success or failure of an update. * Data about which devices have had upgrade failures and why to determine whether to offer the same upgrade again. The most egregious of that list is, imo, this: * Information about your device, its settings and capabilities, including applications and drivers installed on your device
- holtalanm 6y agoyeah. Looks to me like the issue lies more with the base telemetry data policy surrounding Windows 10 itself, which has been a point of contingency between Microsoft and users ever since Windows 10 released. Even if winget allowed for disabling telemetry entirely, our OS is still collecting telemetry too, so it seems the point is pretty much moot, imo.
- jeroenhd 6y agoYou're technically correct for some use cases. For Windows 10 Enterprise users, the official tool does allow you to disable telemetry by modifying the system telemetry settings. For Windows Home and Professional users, this is not the case. Disabling telemetry is not possible because Microsoft have decided that there is a minimum "required" amount of telemetry every OS installation must send in order to function. If the telemetry description stated that some Windows users are able to opt out, they'd be correct. It's just another example of Microsoft showing they couldn't give a rat's ass about their customers' wishes and that you'll just have to deal with them tracking everything you do. And who knows? Maybe I do like to contribute to Microsoft about kernel bluescreens so that Windows can get more stable, but do not wish to upload a report every time I install or uninstall software? Why would it be strange that I don't like to share some telemetry but not all telemetry?
- Voloskaya 6y ago> For Windows Home and Professional users, this is not the case. Disabling telemetry is not possible because Microsoft have decided that there is a minimum "required" amount of telemetry every OS installation must send in order to function. Yes but AFAIK, winget telemetry fits entirely under the optional category. No metrics of winget fits under the "required" category that you cannot disable. In other words, you can completly disable the telemetry of winget, which the title of this article say you cannot.
- hendersoon 6y agoPlease substantiate your post with evidence. No? OK, then.
- ptx 6y agoHow are you determining that all the winget telemetry is in fact getting categorized as optional and can be disabled?
- naikrovek 6y agoA Microsoft employee mentions this in the issue comments on GitHub.