Nope, worse is that investors subtly want to extract value from them e.g. utilizing user data from identity server on vector.im or so. Even if they just "went

Nope, worse is that investors subtly want to extract value from them e.g. utilizing user data from identity server on vector.im or so. Even if they just "went Keybase" not having people outside of the org working on it would slowly bring them the XMPP fate (irrelevance).