Yeah, that's a fair point in many cases. Though I have seen some very nice C/C++ from some of them -- those that want to write good code. And as a CS guy, I k

Yeah, that's a fair point in many cases. Though I have seen some very nice C/C++ from some of them -- those that want to write good code. And as a CS guy, I know damn well I can't do circuit design to save my life.