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What is it that china still cant do? 1. Metallurgy? Or just engines? Of all types.. Petrol diesel jet gas turbine steam turbine rocket etc 2. X86 or general c

What is it that china still cant do? 1. Metallurgy? Or just engines? Of all types.. Petrol diesel jet gas turbine steam turbine rocket etc 2. X86 or general computing cisc chips, maybe fpga n asics too. Maybe fab process tech as well. Or is it all silicon? Theres only licensed designs and last gen fab? 3. glass? Canon L, nikkor ed, any leica or zeiss.. 4. watches? Selitta miyota ronda.. We're not even talking a lange&sohne 5. Maybe some materials that dow dupont basf bayer akzo nobel are producing? Roche novartis sanofi? 6. ???

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
The only "Chinese" factory worth talking about is TSMC. And it is not on CCP's side of China.
janekm 6y ago
1. Apparently China can now make the balls for ballpoint pens (a metallurgical milestone, supposedly?): https://www.businessinsider.com/china-has-finally-figured-out-how-to-make-ballpoint-pens-2017-1?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/china-has-finally-figured-ou... 2. Fab process tech is pretty firmly in Dutch/Swiss/Japanese hands I think? In terms of fabs, SMIC is planning to start 7nm process this year, so about 3 years behind: https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/chinese-fab-smic-to-start-7nm-production-in-the-fourth-quarter-report https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/chinese-fab-smic-to-sta... 3. Anecdotally I visited an optics tradeshow in Shenzhen and it was pretty impressive what was available in advanced lenses for process control. But I'm no expert. Consumer camera lenses from China have been getting better and better. 4. It's not really hard to make mechanical watches if you have great CNC machines. Which are still dominated by Switzerland (Tornos), Germany (Kern), Japan (many, including Tsugami). Seagull have been making decent mechanical watches for >60 years... 5. China is pushing heavily on gene therapy which may turn out to be a big part of future medicine
baybal2 6y ago
> 3. glass? Canon L, nikkor ed, any leica or zeiss.. A big part of lenses in lithography steppers come from China, where they managed to beat Zeiss on cost/quality n-fold. The biggest, and most expensive lenses are still Zeiss' speciality.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago

The only "Chinese" factory worth talking about is TSMC. And it is not on CCP's side of China.

janekm 6y ago

1. Apparently China can now make the balls for ballpoint pens (a metallurgical milestone, supposedly?): https://www.businessinsider.com/china-has-finally-figured-out-how-to-make-ballpoint-pens-2017-1?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/china-has-finally-figured-ou... 2. Fab process tech is pretty firmly in Dutch/Swiss/Japanese hands I think? In terms of fabs, SMIC is planning to start 7nm process this year, so about 3 years behind: https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/chinese-fab-smic-to-start-7nm-production-in-the-fourth-quarter-report https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/chinese-fab-smic-to-sta... 3. Anecdotally I visited an optics tradeshow in Shenzhen and it was pretty impressive what was available in advanced lenses for process control. But I'm no expert. Consumer camera lenses from China have been getting better and better. 4. It's not really hard to make mechanical watches if you have great CNC machines. Which are still dominated by Switzerland (Tornos), Germany (Kern), Japan (many, including Tsugami). Seagull have been making decent mechanical watches for >60 years... 5. China is pushing heavily on gene therapy which may turn out to be a big part of future medicine

baybal2 6y ago

> 3. glass? Canon L, nikkor ed, any leica or zeiss.. A big part of lenses in lithography steppers come from China, where they managed to beat Zeiss on cost/quality n-fold. The biggest, and most expensive lenses are still Zeiss' speciality.