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I hate being "that guy" but I find it very sad that we've reached a point where we're expected to praise companies just for being staffed by humans capable of b

by gobongo 16y ago

I hate being "that guy" but I find it very sad that we've reached a point where we're expected to praise companies just for being staffed by humans capable of basic empathy in an unimaginably horrific crisis. It is nice that they did this and all but is it really especially noteworthy? Give me an update when Steve Jobs donates a little bit of his money to the relief effort, (or, really, ANYTHING...) until then I don't really see what this has to do with Apple as a whole.

Joakal 16y ago
On the other hand, there's a skewed ratio of outrage to praise. Some people like to hear about the good things from a horrific crisis. You're not expected to praise the companies. Whatever gave you that perception?
radicaldreamer 16y ago
A lot of wealthy people donate anonymously so that they aren't harassed or labeled for whom they donate money to and some just don't like drawing attention to their personal lives.
- SwellJoe 16y ago
  And a lot more people do not donate at all (the percentage of anonymous donations to most charities is miniscule). In the absence of evidence that he has donated, the reasonable assumption is that he has not. That's not to say I believe he is obligated to do so. But, I seriously doubt Jobs generosity...he's always been kind of a jerk, especially in matters of money. I don't understand why anyone would bring up "some people donate anonymously!" as some sort of evidence that Jobs is a giving human being, when most evidence points to the contrary.
  - radicaldreamer 16y ago
    Okay, let's look at the donations that he has to disclose by law: "while Jobs gave $254,000. (His wife Laurene Powell Jobs, however, donated more than $502,915 federally" (Source: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gates_tops_steve_jobs_in.php http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate...). What's more likely, that this person who intensely guards his personal life contributes only to politicians and supports no causes on his own or that he doesn't publicize anything about his personal life other than what he has to? Everything I've read about Jobs points to him being very uncomfortable with having his life laid open for everyone to peer at and critique.
    - SwellJoe 16y ago
      "Okay, let's look at the donations that he has to disclose by law: "while Jobs gave $254,000. (His wife Laurene Powell Jobs, however, donated more than $502,915 federally" (Source: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate... http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate...)." That is useful information, if one wanted to determine whether Jobs donates to anything. Again, I'm not suggesting he is obligated to do so. If he wants to be the one who dies with the most toys, and it appears that he does based on the amount of his charitable contributions compared to some of his peers, that's absolutely fine with me. (I think he's a dick based on the way he behaved toward Woz and early Apple employees with regard to money, and not so much based on lack of charitable giving.) I was just pointing out that saying, "Some people donate anonymously" is not a meaningful contribution to the discussion. Which people? Is Jobs among them? How do we know that? It's a no-op statement in the context in which it was used, and I find that annoying.
- Daniel14 16y ago
  Jobs declaring his donation to japan would give him a lot of free sympathy. There's really no point in not declaring a donation when you're a ceo and I highly doubt there are a lot who do so.

by gobongo 16y ago

Joakal 16y ago

On the other hand, there's a skewed ratio of outrage to praise. Some people like to hear about the good things from a horrific crisis. You're not expected to praise the companies. Whatever gave you that perception?

radicaldreamer 16y ago

A lot of wealthy people donate anonymously so that they aren't harassed or labeled for whom they donate money to and some just don't like drawing attention to their personal lives.

SwellJoe 16y ago
And a lot more people do not donate at all (the percentage of anonymous donations to most charities is miniscule). In the absence of evidence that he has donated, the reasonable assumption is that he has not. That's not to say I believe he is obligated to do so. But, I seriously doubt Jobs generosity...he's always been kind of a jerk, especially in matters of money. I don't understand why anyone would bring up "some people donate anonymously!" as some sort of evidence that Jobs is a giving human being, when most evidence points to the contrary.
- radicaldreamer 16y ago
  Okay, let's look at the donations that he has to disclose by law: "while Jobs gave $254,000. (His wife Laurene Powell Jobs, however, donated more than $502,915 federally" (Source: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gates_tops_steve_jobs_in.php http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate...). What's more likely, that this person who intensely guards his personal life contributes only to politicians and supports no causes on his own or that he doesn't publicize anything about his personal life other than what he has to? Everything I've read about Jobs points to him being very uncomfortable with having his life laid open for everyone to peer at and critique.
  - SwellJoe 16y ago
    "Okay, let's look at the donations that he has to disclose by law: "while Jobs gave $254,000. (His wife Laurene Powell Jobs, however, donated more than $502,915 federally" (Source: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate... http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/bill_gate...)." That is useful information, if one wanted to determine whether Jobs donates to anything. Again, I'm not suggesting he is obligated to do so. If he wants to be the one who dies with the most toys, and it appears that he does based on the amount of his charitable contributions compared to some of his peers, that's absolutely fine with me. (I think he's a dick based on the way he behaved toward Woz and early Apple employees with regard to money, and not so much based on lack of charitable giving.) I was just pointing out that saying, "Some people donate anonymously" is not a meaningful contribution to the discussion. Which people? Is Jobs among them? How do we know that? It's a no-op statement in the context in which it was used, and I find that annoying.
Daniel14 16y ago
Jobs declaring his donation to japan would give him a lot of free sympathy. There's really no point in not declaring a donation when you're a ceo and I highly doubt there are a lot who do so.