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If this makes people get off IE6 & IE7 it's good enough for me.

Samuel_Michon 16y ago
It will mostly get users off IE8. Users of older versions of IE who still haven't upgraded to IE8 (2 years old!) simply can't or don't want to upgrade. Also, most IE users run Windows XP. IE9 will never be available for Windows XP, so those users are stuck (unless they switch to a third party browser or buy a new computer).
- makecheck 16y ago
  If Microsoft were truly committed to moving people off of IE6, they would have a modern solution specifically for XP users. They screwed it up, they fix it. 3rd party developers target older OS versions all the time; Microsoft should be in a great position to support XP. And even if they don't want to, they should still have an official stance that encourages the use of some modern browser, even if it means they have to suck it up and recommend Firefox for XP users. Better still, issue a service pack for XP that installs Firefox automatically; then IT groups can be sure that a modern browser is on all their machines, and internal apps can finally target the modern browser and require its use.
  - tzs 16y ago
    Microsoft is trying to kill BOTH IE 6 and XP. Encouraging modern browsers on XP would work against kiling XP.
    - makecheck 16y ago
      Mac OS 9.2 was released in June of 2001, several months after Mac OS X 10.0. And 9.2.2 arrived after 10.1 had been released. Sometimes you don't just cut the cord, you evolve the old and the new.
  - likpok 16y ago
    No other operating system manufacturer (outside of the embedded realm) does anything near what Microsoft does for XP. Suggesting that it is a failing of the IE team to not support XP is a little disingenuous with the rest of what people say. I see very few people complaining that Apple killed the PowerPC line, and XP far predates that. Microsoft has been pushing people off of XP for ages, but many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense. This is further complicated by the fact that most people who still use XP don't want the system to change. If Microsoft were to release such a service pack, the first thing that nearly all of the IT groups of whom you speak would do would be to block it from automatically installing. Those that wouldn't would have already set up the base install to have a modern browser (IE8, Firefox, Chrome).
    - tomlin 16y ago
      Microsoft has been pushing people off of XP for ages, but many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense It's true in some sense. Vista really made Windows users question further upgrades. I personally couldn't wait to move from Windows 3.1 to 95, 98 to 2000, 2000 to XP. Super excited for these upgrades. I had no such enthusiasm for Vista after seeing initial reports and usability findings. Thankfully Windows 7 is far superior to Vista and XP and definitely a much more inviting experience.
    - noibl 16y ago
      > No other operating system manufacturer (outside of the embedded realm) does anything near what Microsoft does for XP. Who are you including in that category apart from Apple? Compatibility with 30-year-old OS features is often considered a worthwhile goal among current UNIX descendants. > I see very few people complaining that Apple killed the PowerPC line, and XP far predates that. Is WinXP compatible with x86 and x86-64? Is Win7 not compatible with those? I don't see what point you're making by mentioning CPU architectures. And the 'universal binary' made this switch largely transparent to owners of either CPU. > many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense Leaving aside the accuracy of this, surely if it is a misapprehension then it should cause problems only for those people. Instead Microsoft have made it clear that it's a problem for their own profit growth and that those users need to be coerced into upgrading. But even that's being done in a half-assed way that makes it more of a problem for web developers. Which other Microsoft titles are being developed to be XP-incompatible? Certainly not Office 2010. Aside: backwards compatibility was largely maintained under Mac OS Classic from 1984 to 2001. The break, coming with OS X, was necessary, not contrived.

It will mostly get users off IE8. Users of older versions of IE who still haven't upgraded to IE8 (2 years old!) simply can't or don't want to upgrade. Also, most IE users run Windows XP. IE9 will never be available for Windows XP, so those users are stuck (unless they switch to a third party browser or buy a new computer).

makecheck 16y ago
If Microsoft were truly committed to moving people off of IE6, they would have a modern solution specifically for XP users. They screwed it up, they fix it. 3rd party developers target older OS versions all the time; Microsoft should be in a great position to support XP. And even if they don't want to, they should still have an official stance that encourages the use of some modern browser, even if it means they have to suck it up and recommend Firefox for XP users. Better still, issue a service pack for XP that installs Firefox automatically; then IT groups can be sure that a modern browser is on all their machines, and internal apps can finally target the modern browser and require its use.
- tzs 16y ago
  Microsoft is trying to kill BOTH IE 6 and XP. Encouraging modern browsers on XP would work against kiling XP.
  - makecheck 16y ago
    Mac OS 9.2 was released in June of 2001, several months after Mac OS X 10.0. And 9.2.2 arrived after 10.1 had been released. Sometimes you don't just cut the cord, you evolve the old and the new.
- likpok 16y ago
  No other operating system manufacturer (outside of the embedded realm) does anything near what Microsoft does for XP. Suggesting that it is a failing of the IE team to not support XP is a little disingenuous with the rest of what people say. I see very few people complaining that Apple killed the PowerPC line, and XP far predates that. Microsoft has been pushing people off of XP for ages, but many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense. This is further complicated by the fact that most people who still use XP don't want the system to change. If Microsoft were to release such a service pack, the first thing that nearly all of the IT groups of whom you speak would do would be to block it from automatically installing. Those that wouldn't would have already set up the base install to have a modern browser (IE8, Firefox, Chrome).
  - tomlin 16y ago
    Microsoft has been pushing people off of XP for ages, but many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense It's true in some sense. Vista really made Windows users question further upgrades. I personally couldn't wait to move from Windows 3.1 to 95, 98 to 2000, 2000 to XP. Super excited for these upgrades. I had no such enthusiasm for Vista after seeing initial reports and usability findings. Thankfully Windows 7 is far superior to Vista and XP and definitely a much more inviting experience.
  - noibl 16y ago
    > No other operating system manufacturer (outside of the embedded realm) does anything near what Microsoft does for XP. Who are you including in that category apart from Apple? Compatibility with 30-year-old OS features is often considered a worthwhile goal among current UNIX descendants. > I see very few people complaining that Apple killed the PowerPC line, and XP far predates that. Is WinXP compatible with x86 and x86-64? Is Win7 not compatible with those? I don't see what point you're making by mentioning CPU architectures. And the 'universal binary' made this switch largely transparent to owners of either CPU. > many people hold the misapprehension that XP is 'good enough' in some sense Leaving aside the accuracy of this, surely if it is a misapprehension then it should cause problems only for those people. Instead Microsoft have made it clear that it's a problem for their own profit growth and that those users need to be coerced into upgrading. But even that's being done in a half-assed way that makes it more of a problem for web developers. Which other Microsoft titles are being developed to be XP-incompatible? Certainly not Office 2010. Aside: backwards compatibility was largely maintained under Mac OS Classic from 1984 to 2001. The break, coming with OS X, was necessary, not contrived.