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Also, they are trained and educated to recognize if this doesn't work. Speaking from experience there. They'll try to gain trust, which is necessary. Actual li

by tetha 6y ago

Also, they are trained and educated to recognize if this doesn't work. Speaking from experience there. They'll try to gain trust, which is necessary. Actual licensed therapists have two things going in there. You can go and meet them in private. And they are legally forbidden from telling on you to anyone, unless you're violent or suicidal. They will throw years and years of studies away if they give away you secrets. Beyond that, you'll be asked what you're struggling with. This can take a session or three. That's normal because it takes time to gain trust and open up. Though they'll gather data during these sessions, too. After all, you don't end up sitting in a therapists office because you're doing great. And they do know a number of different behaviors that end up being problematic beyond a certain scale. But it can be refreshing to talk to someone just knowning your bug. I knew I was writing too much by paragraph 2. But I'm submitting this anyway.

rexpop 6y ago
> I knew I was writing too much by paragraph 2. But I'm submitting this anyway. I don't know why you say this. I found your whole comment informative.
sneak 6y ago
> And they are legally forbidden from telling on you to anyone, unless you're violent or suicidal. That last is a reason a lot of people end up wanting to visit them. It's a privacy catch-22. There are also several things (being a pilot among them) that such a "private" session also may result in you being formally and permanently disqualified from. The privacy laws really need to be strengthened.
notokay 6y ago
>unless you're violent or suicidal. Yes, and if you are suicidal, police will throw you in a jail. Or worse - in a psychiatric hospital. And you are gonna be fired from work and will be even more miserable than before. There is no help for men with depression. Even if you ask for it, you have to keep lying and downplaying your symptoms, so no one would think you are really depressed.
- bloodorange 6y ago
  Mate, if your message may have something to do with your username, I do hope things get better for you and I hope you find the resources you need for things to get better.
- bardworx 6y ago
  Your comment is very sad, are you okay? I hope you find peace through your means and I want you to know that people care about you.
- arkades 6y ago
  We don't throw anyone in jail for being suicidal. We don't throw people into psych hospitals unless they're at imminent risk of successfully committing suicide - we don't do admits just for suicidal ideation. One of the first things you learn, even as a med student, is how to distinguish between "this person needs help" and "hide the sharp objects." That said, some patients are in the "hide the sharp objects" zone - and they get hospitalized to make sure they don't die. You are creating an exaggerated worst-case scenario that, luckily, means you don't have to change or risk vulnerability or anything. Unluckily, your safe space sounds like a pit of shit. Depression will do that to you. Please reach out to a professional & get help. You'll be shocked how much better you can feel in just a few months.
  - ThrowawayP 6y ago
    > "We don't throw people into psych hospitals unless they're at imminent risk of successfully committing suicide - we don't do admits just for suicidal ideation." Right, which still means that the patient has to very carefully manage what they say. If they are prone to exaggeration, colorful metaphors, or are feeling just absolutely miserable enough to say something they don't really mean out of pain or anger, they may spook the clinician into putting them into an "psychiatric hold" (e.g for California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_hold) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_...) which can last 72 hours or more. Remember, just like half of developers are below average, so are half of clinicians and you won't know which is which until it's too late. All of this is not to say that people suffering from mental illness shouldn't seek treatment. Just know what you're getting in to and how to get out of it if need be.
Sophistifunk 6y ago
Also: they might rat you out to the machine by proxy based on what drugs they proscribe or other conditions they apply if they feel you "abuse" drugs, which means a different thing to every shrink, and you don't get to know until it's too late. Get yourself a nice "drug abuser" flag in your file because you like weed or MDMA, and maybe you can't get real pain-killers later when you fuck your back up.
Tomte 6y ago
> And they are legally forbidden from telling on you to anyone, unless you're violent or suicidal. OT fun fact about Germany: While doctors (including psychologists and psychiatrists) are legally forbidden from disclosing what they learn in therapy, other patients in a group therapy setting aren't, and are even required to testify about what you said in therapy. https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_1.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_1.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_2.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_2.pdf That's why I would never agree to a group session here. It was the subject of a petition to the Bundestag some years back, but the Bundestag didn't see any reason to act.

by tetha 6y ago

rexpop 6y ago

> I knew I was writing too much by paragraph 2. But I'm submitting this anyway. I don't know why you say this. I found your whole comment informative.

sneak 6y ago

> And they are legally forbidden from telling on you to anyone, unless you're violent or suicidal. That last is a reason a lot of people end up wanting to visit them. It's a privacy catch-22. There are also several things (being a pilot among them) that such a "private" session also may result in you being formally and permanently disqualified from. The privacy laws really need to be strengthened.

notokay 6y ago

>unless you're violent or suicidal. Yes, and if you are suicidal, police will throw you in a jail. Or worse - in a psychiatric hospital. And you are gonna be fired from work and will be even more miserable than before. There is no help for men with depression. Even if you ask for it, you have to keep lying and downplaying your symptoms, so no one would think you are really depressed.

bloodorange 6y ago
Mate, if your message may have something to do with your username, I do hope things get better for you and I hope you find the resources you need for things to get better.
bardworx 6y ago
Your comment is very sad, are you okay? I hope you find peace through your means and I want you to know that people care about you.
arkades 6y ago
We don't throw anyone in jail for being suicidal. We don't throw people into psych hospitals unless they're at imminent risk of successfully committing suicide - we don't do admits just for suicidal ideation. One of the first things you learn, even as a med student, is how to distinguish between "this person needs help" and "hide the sharp objects." That said, some patients are in the "hide the sharp objects" zone - and they get hospitalized to make sure they don't die. You are creating an exaggerated worst-case scenario that, luckily, means you don't have to change or risk vulnerability or anything. Unluckily, your safe space sounds like a pit of shit. Depression will do that to you. Please reach out to a professional & get help. You'll be shocked how much better you can feel in just a few months.
- ThrowawayP 6y ago
  > "We don't throw people into psych hospitals unless they're at imminent risk of successfully committing suicide - we don't do admits just for suicidal ideation." Right, which still means that the patient has to very carefully manage what they say. If they are prone to exaggeration, colorful metaphors, or are feeling just absolutely miserable enough to say something they don't really mean out of pain or anger, they may spook the clinician into putting them into an "psychiatric hold" (e.g for California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_hold) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_...) which can last 72 hours or more. Remember, just like half of developers are below average, so are half of clinicians and you won't know which is which until it's too late. All of this is not to say that people suffering from mental illness shouldn't seek treatment. Just know what you're getting in to and how to get out of it if need be.

Sophistifunk 6y ago

Also: they might rat you out to the machine by proxy based on what drugs they proscribe or other conditions they apply if they feel you "abuse" drugs, which means a different thing to every shrink, and you don't get to know until it's too late. Get yourself a nice "drug abuser" flag in your file because you like weed or MDMA, and maybe you can't get real pain-killers later when you fuck your back up.

Tomte 6y ago

> And they are legally forbidden from telling on you to anyone, unless you're violent or suicidal. OT fun fact about Germany: While doctors (including psychologists and psychiatrists) are legally forbidden from disclosing what they learn in therapy, other patients in a group therapy setting aren't, and are even required to testify about what you said in therapy. https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_1.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_1.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_2.pdf https://mein-bvvp.de/vvps/Schweigepflicht_2.pdf That's why I would never agree to a group session here. It was the subject of a petition to the Bundestag some years back, but the Bundestag didn't see any reason to act.