> pick a random language, ruby, python, javascript etc etc and you'll find similar rants/complaints Yes, but that's not the point - the primary trait of "old P

> pick a random language, ruby, python, javascript etc etc and you'll find similar rants/complaints Yes, but that's not the point - the primary trait of "old PHP" (I don't know the "new PHP") is that it has not been designed. Languages like Ruby, Python, etc. may have been designed, in a better or worse way, but there's a radical difference with a language that hasn't been designed at all.