Yeah, I think that goes back to something the OP said, which is that it's a victim of its own success. It's old enough that everyone has had a bad experience wi

Yeah, I think that goes back to something the OP said, which is that it's a victim of its own success. It's old enough that everyone has had a bad experience with it. I've had many that are directly or indirectly tied to PHP - my college blog was a hodgepodge of unmaintainable PHP scripts, I've run Wordpress blogs with plugins that broke in horrible and confusing ways, some things like argument order and operator precedence are confusing. Combine with a long-enough life to have some famous bugs (like the hash collision DOS attack), and you have a recipe for widespread derision. But it kept getting better. I work in PHP at my day job, and I enjoy it. Tools like PhpStorm and Phan make the experience excellent. If PHP 7.4 were launched today as "AWSLang", a stateless object-oriented optionally-typed scripting language that seems designed for working with Lambda functions, we'd love it. "You mean it just dies at the end of the request by default? No shared mutable state between requests? How functional!" Sure, we'd have a few things to complain about. But don't we always?