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There is no web framework out there which comes with such elegant concepts, syntax and feature-richness like Laravel. I have seen them all - Laravel is incredi

by karxxm 6y ago

There is no web framework out there which comes with such elegant concepts, syntax and feature-richness like Laravel. I have seen them all - Laravel is incredibly good, especially for small - mid sized projects! And this statement comes from a python guy.

Naac 6y ago
Why do you prefer it over say, Flask or Django?
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- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  Laravel performs way better than Django, I also prefer the migrations/model styles that resemble Rails a bit more. Django might be better w/ 3.3 or whenever they fully integrate async into the view/db layer, but w/ laravel I can plug in swoole and go from 110 reqs/sec to 4600+ on my dev pc - w/ 12 threads and 200 connections hitting a post api logged in, updating the database and the caching layer, and queuing notifications. Just ran some big benchmarks on laravel w/ php-fpm vs swoole last night...as an aside. I also don't like some of the ways django handles auth. If I were to use python, I'd definitely go w/ FastAPI, it seems much more joyful a framework. I'd also love to do something like go for sessions/auth/jwt and hasura, postgraphile, or postgrest or some sort of api from postgres, and then most of the logic would simply be postgres functions/triggers/etc...there's also some nice 'built-ins/ecosystems stuff that even rails lacks'. Auth is built in, vs devise (being almost a requirement). Message queues, notifications, .env, events/listeners, are also all built-ins. Eloquent is nice, though repositories using straight sql or the DB class are probably more performant, but you lose a lot of the magic that makes laravel nice, so there's trade offs. Also all the many drivers for caching/queues/etc and telescope is a very beautiful way to debug and so is ignite for error pages. Horizon is nice to manage queues/etc. I keep trying to move to another framework just for the sake of 'something new' and boredom but after 8 years on laravel, I still keep coming back. Wordpress is a totally different story, I charge 35% markup on my normal rates just to touch wordpress because it sucks so bad and hurts my brain to work w/ it. Also, I don't really need to worry about how to setup vue or react, laravel-mix pretty much handles all the webpack stuff w/ a few exceptions if I'm using Tailwinds or creating aliases for paths, etc...
fideloper 6y ago
I'm convinced that Laravel and PHP are (literally!) best-in-class for the user-facing web layer of any HTTP based application. The tooling, resources, first party libraries, and general ecosystem is VERY evolved, and the framework can makes you VERY productive.
- xellisx 6y ago
  I've used Laravel, not a fan. I believe that it's too wrapped up in magic, it actually gets in the way. Also bad naming choices for patterns and Active Record style DB stuff just leave some more bad tastes in my mouth.
samcrosoft 6y ago
I created an account just to reply and say I couldnt agree anymore with your statement. I have used multiple frameworks and Laravel towers above them all in terms of feature-richness. I have spent the few days trying to get into Phoenix and as interesting as it is, it would require me to re-invent the wheel for a lot of things that laravel just offers you out of the box. a quick example is subdomain based routing or even its robust notification based system. For all the hate laravel gets , it level of productivity is unmatched once you know yor way around it.

by karxxm 6y ago

Naac 6y ago

Why do you prefer it over say, Flask or Django?

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gremlinsinc 6y ago
Laravel performs way better than Django, I also prefer the migrations/model styles that resemble Rails a bit more. Django might be better w/ 3.3 or whenever they fully integrate async into the view/db layer, but w/ laravel I can plug in swoole and go from 110 reqs/sec to 4600+ on my dev pc - w/ 12 threads and 200 connections hitting a post api logged in, updating the database and the caching layer, and queuing notifications. Just ran some big benchmarks on laravel w/ php-fpm vs swoole last night...as an aside. I also don't like some of the ways django handles auth. If I were to use python, I'd definitely go w/ FastAPI, it seems much more joyful a framework. I'd also love to do something like go for sessions/auth/jwt and hasura, postgraphile, or postgrest or some sort of api from postgres, and then most of the logic would simply be postgres functions/triggers/etc...there's also some nice 'built-ins/ecosystems stuff that even rails lacks'. Auth is built in, vs devise (being almost a requirement). Message queues, notifications, .env, events/listeners, are also all built-ins. Eloquent is nice, though repositories using straight sql or the DB class are probably more performant, but you lose a lot of the magic that makes laravel nice, so there's trade offs. Also all the many drivers for caching/queues/etc and telescope is a very beautiful way to debug and so is ignite for error pages. Horizon is nice to manage queues/etc. I keep trying to move to another framework just for the sake of 'something new' and boredom but after 8 years on laravel, I still keep coming back. Wordpress is a totally different story, I charge 35% markup on my normal rates just to touch wordpress because it sucks so bad and hurts my brain to work w/ it. Also, I don't really need to worry about how to setup vue or react, laravel-mix pretty much handles all the webpack stuff w/ a few exceptions if I'm using Tailwinds or creating aliases for paths, etc...

fideloper 6y ago

I'm convinced that Laravel and PHP are (literally!) best-in-class for the user-facing web layer of any HTTP based application. The tooling, resources, first party libraries, and general ecosystem is VERY evolved, and the framework can makes you VERY productive.

xellisx 6y ago
I've used Laravel, not a fan. I believe that it's too wrapped up in magic, it actually gets in the way. Also bad naming choices for patterns and Active Record style DB stuff just leave some more bad tastes in my mouth.

samcrosoft 6y ago

I created an account just to reply and say I couldnt agree anymore with your statement. I have used multiple frameworks and Laravel towers above them all in terms of feature-richness. I have spent the few days trying to get into Phoenix and as interesting as it is, it would require me to re-invent the wheel for a lot of things that laravel just offers you out of the box. a quick example is subdomain based routing or even its robust notification based system. For all the hate laravel gets , it level of productivity is unmatched once you know yor way around it.