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The numbers I've seen are different: more like 90% over and more importantly, something like 80%-90% of cases with confounding co-morbidities (the original Ital
by thu2111 6y ago
The numbers I've seen are different: more like 90% over and more importantly, something like 80%-90% of cases with confounding co-morbidities (the original Italian figure was something like 12% of people with no co-morbidities).
I mean I think you need to review the data because your argument is just strange. Look at the EuroMOMO data for instance:
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
In the 16-64 age group excess death per week went up by a total of about 1000 more excess deaths for multiple European countries aggregated than e.g. the flu season of 2017 or 2018. The total population in these graphs is over 100 million so this is practically meaningless, it's not a sign of any kind of danger. The numbers don't start getting (relatively) big until the 65+ age group, and even then, they're still not big relative to the actual population sizes in question. Only prior flu seasons.
That's excess death. W.R.T. deaths coded as COVID there's also the somewhat newer problem of nonsensical COVID death reports, caused by repeatedly relaxed standards for reporting. At first you needed to have clearly died of the disease. Then anyone who tested positive and died was reported as a COVID death, leading to stories of "COVID deaths" of people with terminal leukemia, alcohol poisoning, etc. That's the of/with issue we're discussing. Then the standards were relaxed again to allow mere suspicion of COVID to be reported as a COVID death. This has been happening around the world, e.g. in France:
https://covidinfos.net/covid19/deces-dus-au-covid-19-le-nombre-officiel-de-morts-en-france-est-il-surestime/502/ https://covidinfos.net/covid19/deces-dus-au-covid-19-le-nomb...
"a positive case in a residence immediately transforms all of the people in the residence into "confirmed cases", which will therefore be counted in COVID-19 statistics .... if a resident (or an employee) coughs, all the occupants of the residence become “possible cases”, and are counted in COVID-19 statistics."
In the USA it's even worse - hospitals started being paid more money if deaths were coded that way; at a time when they badly need the money.
So the numbers here are really quite meaningless but what we can say, is that neither Cambridge staff nor students are in any great danger from this, unless they are really quite old but by then of course, many different diseases and problems are a danger to them and simply tripping on the steps of the lecture hall could also create a dangerous situation. So they would need to be quite careful even in normal times.