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_Yawn_. Wake me up on this thread when Blink/Webkit switch to .NET from V8/JavaScriptCore. Javascript (and thus Typescript as a higher-order lang) is _useful_ o

by Doches 6y ago

_Yawn_. Wake me up on this thread when Blink/Webkit switch to .NET from V8/JavaScriptCore. Javascript (and thus Typescript as a higher-order lang) is _useful_ on mobile (hi, react-native) and the desktop, sure, but we're clearly a _long_ way from replacing JS in the browser. Witness the delightful, slow-motion failure to launch that was Dart...

runawaybottle 6y ago
I hope you are right, it took no time for Typescript to catch on, and got ordained in Deno.
- 52-6F-62 6y ago
  And the Deno team moved from Golang to Rust for their implementation. Maybe that will result in some interesting developments.
  - Doches 6y ago
    I prefer to think of this as Ryan Dahl choosing Mozilla over Google, whatever the relative merits of Golang vs. Rust.
    - ragnese 6y ago
      Not that it matters, but I think it's much more likely he chose Rust specifically for the language features over Go. A lot of Rust's type-system and semantics are inspired by ML-family languages which are well-known to be great for writing parsers, etc.
      - steveklabnik 6y ago
        At the initial presentation, Ryan mentioned that a move from Go to Rust was a possibility due to a few things, and they were related to the languages themselves, not to Mozilla vs Google or something. (And, IMHO, saying that Rust is a Mozilla thing is just plain incorrect.)
- Doches 6y ago
  At this point I'd _rejoice_ if someone could offer a credible alternative to Javascript for web (and other browser-based/cross-platform mobile) dev. Google tried and utterly failed with Dart; Microsoft embraced JS via Typescript (extend and extinguish, sure, whatever; TS is fantastic); Facebook embraced JS via React (and React Native on mobile, though they've since pulled back a bit from that...); and Apple is predictably absent from the room. There's pretty much no one left in the conversation who could credibly move us past an endless JS-only future of progressively-more-TS-like ES20XXs at this point...
  - thosakwe 6y ago
    It's sad to me that nobody would consider a new option unless a FAANG, or otherwise huge company, were backing it.

by Doches 6y ago

runawaybottle 6y ago

I hope you are right, it took no time for Typescript to catch on, and got ordained in Deno.

52-6F-62 6y ago
And the Deno team moved from Golang to Rust for their implementation. Maybe that will result in some interesting developments.
- Doches 6y ago
  I prefer to think of this as Ryan Dahl choosing Mozilla over Google, whatever the relative merits of Golang vs. Rust.
  - ragnese 6y ago
    Not that it matters, but I think it's much more likely he chose Rust specifically for the language features over Go. A lot of Rust's type-system and semantics are inspired by ML-family languages which are well-known to be great for writing parsers, etc.
    - steveklabnik 6y ago
      At the initial presentation, Ryan mentioned that a move from Go to Rust was a possibility due to a few things, and they were related to the languages themselves, not to Mozilla vs Google or something. (And, IMHO, saying that Rust is a Mozilla thing is just plain incorrect.)
Doches 6y ago
At this point I'd _rejoice_ if someone could offer a credible alternative to Javascript for web (and other browser-based/cross-platform mobile) dev. Google tried and utterly failed with Dart; Microsoft embraced JS via Typescript (extend and extinguish, sure, whatever; TS is fantastic); Facebook embraced JS via React (and React Native on mobile, though they've since pulled back a bit from that...); and Apple is predictably absent from the room. There's pretty much no one left in the conversation who could credibly move us past an endless JS-only future of progressively-more-TS-like ES20XXs at this point...
- thosakwe 6y ago
  It's sad to me that nobody would consider a new option unless a FAANG, or otherwise huge company, were backing it.