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> I think it's time for Jared to come in. If he can handle Middle-East peace and Covid-19, why not a Moon landing as well. You’re being sarcastic but this is h

> I think it's time for Jared to come in. If he can handle Middle-East peace and Covid-19, why not a Moon landing as well. You’re being sarcastic but this is horrifying. In the country my parents immigrated from, government officials appointing their family members to important positions is very normal. It also did get bad enough that my parents had to leave that country behind.

groby_b 6y ago
You'll be delighted to know that there's an increasing number of people leaving the US behind as well, or at least making substantial plans on what to do if they need to leave in a hurry. Official numbers from 2019: https://news.gallup.com/poll/245789/record-numbers-americans-leave.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245789/record-numbers-americans... Anecdata suggest this has significantly increased in the last year, and especially in 2020. We live in what amounts to a failed state. There's still some hope it's repairable, but it's rapidly dwindling, and Jared's crown prince role is a large contributor to that dwindling.
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- nxc18 6y ago
  Something I find fascinating in this discussion is how November affects things. If Trump is re-elected, any hope of repairing institutions is realistically lost. If he isn’t, there’s a real possibility of funny business, either contesting the result or refusing to leave office. I know it sounds preposterous that a president would refuse to leave office, but it also seems preposterous that an impeached president wouldn’t step down, and he’s become accustomed to degrading norms and breaking the law with impunity. US lifestyle is still very good, but for those of us looking at the trend it’s really concerning. I know I’m personally making decisions with the possibility of needing to leave in the future.
  - PopePompus 6y ago
    >>> but it also seems preposterous that an impeached president wouldn’t step down Like Clinton? Like Andrew Johnson? No impeached US president has ever stepped down. Nixon resigned before he was impeached.
    - nxc18 6y ago
      I'm thinking about how Trump is running for re-election after impeachment - afaict that's somewhat novel. Nixon as you mentioned resigned under threat of impeachment. I think maybe the bar for conviction in the Senate is too high in a way that is corrosive to presidential accountability. Both Trump and Clinton committed serious crimes without real consequence and it is disgraceful, regardless of politics. (note: I don't care about the sex, I care about the perjury and obstruction of justice)
  - teknopaul 6y ago
    You might not be able to go anywhere if US screws its COVID-19 response and the entire rest of the world does not.
- e40 6y ago
  Given the state of things, I'm not very hopeful. There are 10's of millions of people who don't believe in science (except when it saves their lives at the hospital), don't believe anyone but their dear leader (all news that contradicts their leader is "fake news") and hate anything that sounds intellectual (remember John Kerry? That was the main knock on him) because it makes them feel smarter. And now, with the current administration removing watchdogs and ramping up corruption, it will be a miracle if any opposition with a majority of votes can actually win. Look at the attack on vote by mail, as an example. Roger Ailes is dead, but his legacy lives on.

groby_b 6y ago

You'll be delighted to know that there's an increasing number of people leaving the US behind as well, or at least making substantial plans on what to do if they need to leave in a hurry. Official numbers from 2019: https://news.gallup.com/poll/245789/record-numbers-americans-leave.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245789/record-numbers-americans... Anecdata suggest this has significantly increased in the last year, and especially in 2020. We live in what amounts to a failed state. There's still some hope it's repairable, but it's rapidly dwindling, and Jared's crown prince role is a large contributor to that dwindling.

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nxc18 6y ago
Something I find fascinating in this discussion is how November affects things. If Trump is re-elected, any hope of repairing institutions is realistically lost. If he isn’t, there’s a real possibility of funny business, either contesting the result or refusing to leave office. I know it sounds preposterous that a president would refuse to leave office, but it also seems preposterous that an impeached president wouldn’t step down, and he’s become accustomed to degrading norms and breaking the law with impunity. US lifestyle is still very good, but for those of us looking at the trend it’s really concerning. I know I’m personally making decisions with the possibility of needing to leave in the future.
- PopePompus 6y ago
  >>> but it also seems preposterous that an impeached president wouldn’t step down Like Clinton? Like Andrew Johnson? No impeached US president has ever stepped down. Nixon resigned before he was impeached.
  - nxc18 6y ago
    I'm thinking about how Trump is running for re-election after impeachment - afaict that's somewhat novel. Nixon as you mentioned resigned under threat of impeachment. I think maybe the bar for conviction in the Senate is too high in a way that is corrosive to presidential accountability. Both Trump and Clinton committed serious crimes without real consequence and it is disgraceful, regardless of politics. (note: I don't care about the sex, I care about the perjury and obstruction of justice)
- teknopaul 6y ago
  You might not be able to go anywhere if US screws its COVID-19 response and the entire rest of the world does not.
e40 6y ago
Given the state of things, I'm not very hopeful. There are 10's of millions of people who don't believe in science (except when it saves their lives at the hospital), don't believe anyone but their dear leader (all news that contradicts their leader is "fake news") and hate anything that sounds intellectual (remember John Kerry? That was the main knock on him) because it makes them feel smarter. And now, with the current administration removing watchdogs and ramping up corruption, it will be a miracle if any opposition with a majority of votes can actually win. Look at the attack on vote by mail, as an example. Roger Ailes is dead, but his legacy lives on.