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Japan is a first world country.

elliekelly 6y ago
All the more impressive!
speg 6y ago
If they’re willing to get him out of a third world country, surely they’d be willing to do the same from a first world country.
pnw_hazor 6y ago
The Japanese criminal justice system is not up to first world standards. "The litany of violations that commonly take place while the detainee is in daiyou kangoku would befit places such as China, Turkey, or the Israeli occupied West Bank. Detainees are subject to extremely long (e.g. over twelve hours) questioning sessions, designed to wear them down. Sleep deprivation is common, as is the deprivation of adequate food, and suspects are often made to stand in uncomfortable positions for hours on end. Intimidation is the order of the day, with techniques such as repeated screaming in the detainee’s ears, and, though rarer, beatings have also been known to take place." https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/02/japans-authoritarian-criminal-justice-system/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/02/japans-authoritarian...
- popcorncolonel 6y ago
  Ah our favorite third world countries, like China, Japan, and Israel.
- braythwayt 6y ago
  Hello, have you met the US Criminal Justice System? No, not that one. I mean the system used for the poor and/or coloured and/or from a "shithole country." The one that cages children and has decided that prisoners do not need soap or disinfectant in the middle of a deadly pandemic. The one that shoots first and asks questions later. The one that systemically plants evidence. The one that takes performs "parallel construction" to deceive the courts about the legality of its investigations. The one that had an entire building devoted to making interogatees "disappear." I could go on, but I think I've made my point. If Japan is not up to "first-world standards," I have difficulty accepting that the US is up to first-world standards, whatever they may be.
  - snazz 6y ago
    The US criminal justice system is certainly not up to snuff for a first-world country either.
  - kindatrue 6y ago
    For the future, you may want to cite this link: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two... It's not about Jeffrey Epstein, but 32 interesting deaths in US prisons. The one about guards burning a man to death with hot water was... unique.
    - pnw_hazor 6y ago
      Japan's correctional system is considered safer than many others but it certainly has it problems. Generally they are more like strict military prisons with highly strict and specific rules and regimentation. Punishment for violating rules may include loss of privileges and often having to maintain stress positions (aka torture) for hours across multiple days. Reform is underway but as like as everywhere else it is making slow progress. https://www.prison-insider.com/countryprofile/prisonsinjapan?s=securite-ordre-et-discipline#securite-ordre-et-discipline https://www.prison-insider.com/countryprofile/prisonsinjapan...
  - maallooc 6y ago
    I've lived in Japan and a country that has Japan-like criminal justice system. The US criminal justice system way better than Japan's one. In Japan, both the judges' and prosecutions' powers are too strong. Not like in the US where you actually have to convince a grand jury to prosecute and petite jury to convict, in Japan a single prosecutor can determine whether to prosecute or not and a single judge can decide whether your guilty or not. No judicial democracy, pretty much like the witch hunt in medieval times. Because lawyers are filled with elitism and vainglory, prosecution's arguments are almost always considered true. This becomes a problem if the case is a political one, just like in this case. Yes, you can whine about US justice system being shitty but at least it is democratic and fair if done by law. Japan's one isn't.
  - 6y ago
bouncycastle 6y ago
With a 99% conviction rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate Edit: So I guess extraditing them would basically guarantee conviction.

All the more impressive!

speg 6y ago

If they’re willing to get him out of a third world country, surely they’d be willing to do the same from a first world country.

pnw_hazor 6y ago

The Japanese criminal justice system is not up to first world standards. "The litany of violations that commonly take place while the detainee is in daiyou kangoku would befit places such as China, Turkey, or the Israeli occupied West Bank. Detainees are subject to extremely long (e.g. over twelve hours) questioning sessions, designed to wear them down. Sleep deprivation is common, as is the deprivation of adequate food, and suspects are often made to stand in uncomfortable positions for hours on end. Intimidation is the order of the day, with techniques such as repeated screaming in the detainee’s ears, and, though rarer, beatings have also been known to take place." https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/02/japans-authoritarian-criminal-justice-system/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/02/japans-authoritarian...

popcorncolonel 6y ago
Ah our favorite third world countries, like China, Japan, and Israel.
braythwayt 6y ago
Hello, have you met the US Criminal Justice System? No, not that one. I mean the system used for the poor and/or coloured and/or from a "shithole country." The one that cages children and has decided that prisoners do not need soap or disinfectant in the middle of a deadly pandemic. The one that shoots first and asks questions later. The one that systemically plants evidence. The one that takes performs "parallel construction" to deceive the courts about the legality of its investigations. The one that had an entire building devoted to making interogatees "disappear." I could go on, but I think I've made my point. If Japan is not up to "first-world standards," I have difficulty accepting that the US is up to first-world standards, whatever they may be.
- snazz 6y ago
  The US criminal justice system is certainly not up to snuff for a first-world country either.
- kindatrue 6y ago
  For the future, you may want to cite this link: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two... It's not about Jeffrey Epstein, but 32 interesting deaths in US prisons. The one about guards burning a man to death with hot water was... unique.
  - pnw_hazor 6y ago
    Japan's correctional system is considered safer than many others but it certainly has it problems. Generally they are more like strict military prisons with highly strict and specific rules and regimentation. Punishment for violating rules may include loss of privileges and often having to maintain stress positions (aka torture) for hours across multiple days. Reform is underway but as like as everywhere else it is making slow progress. https://www.prison-insider.com/countryprofile/prisonsinjapan?s=securite-ordre-et-discipline#securite-ordre-et-discipline https://www.prison-insider.com/countryprofile/prisonsinjapan...
- maallooc 6y ago
  I've lived in Japan and a country that has Japan-like criminal justice system. The US criminal justice system way better than Japan's one. In Japan, both the judges' and prosecutions' powers are too strong. Not like in the US where you actually have to convince a grand jury to prosecute and petite jury to convict, in Japan a single prosecutor can determine whether to prosecute or not and a single judge can decide whether your guilty or not. No judicial democracy, pretty much like the witch hunt in medieval times. Because lawyers are filled with elitism and vainglory, prosecution's arguments are almost always considered true. This becomes a problem if the case is a political one, just like in this case. Yes, you can whine about US justice system being shitty but at least it is democratic and fair if done by law. Japan's one isn't.
- 6y ago

bouncycastle 6y ago

With a 99% conviction rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate Edit: So I guess extraditing them would basically guarantee conviction.