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It is pretty amazing that we are witnessing hard natural selection in action. Think of it like a disease that kills 50% of population. Those that have immunity

by tlear 6y ago

It is pretty amazing that we are witnessing hard natural selection in action. Think of it like a disease that kills 50% of population. Those that have immunity get to pass their genes, rest die out. Sort of like pressure from smallpox. I am really curious how this will get resolved. Just collapse of current society with the values we have, some selection of properties like “need” to have kids imprinted even harder then it is now? Humans 100 years from now will be quite different to us it seems. I am also quite amazed at all the kids hate. In addition to all other awesome things they allow you to relive your childhood, chance to have an incredibly close friend, you can teach them what you know, do some incredible things together. Etc. Kids are not expensive unless you make them so. They can help you with stuff too you know..(that is if you raise them to be decent people and not just spend days staring at the iPad so they don’t bother you)

lotsofpulp 6y ago
The most expensive part of a kid is stretching yourself to your limits to get them into the most expensive neighborhoods (I.e. best schools) possible. And the unfortunate thing is the data shows that this is the best move for people to make, as the peers you are surrounded are the biggest determinant of your future success (see opportunity atlas). Which is why people stretch themselves to the max with 30 year mortgages. It’s inevitable in a society with ever widening wealth/income gaps.
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  If you are putting off having a child on account of money you are doing life wrong. Plenty of large families have non-software incomes and do just fine. They may not be able to eat out but it's a sacrifice worth making.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    I think most people would agree that having children while homeless is a bad idea. Where that line is is a personal choice. I wouldn’t want kids unless I could reasonably guarantee they’d be in a decent school district with some chance to move up the socioeconomic ladder. But thats just my opinion.
    - ideals 6y ago
      Pretty big group of people who fit between software engineer and living in a tent in SF.
  - bradlys 6y ago
    > If you are putting off having a child on account of money you are doing life wrong. Plenty of large families have non-software incomes and do just fine. They may not be able to eat out but it's a sacrifice worth making. This varies a lot on where you live and the income. Not everyone in software is making $400k+/yr in the bay area. Plenty of large families continue a streak of poverty for generations. Poverty and trauma are very generational. If you don't want to continue that streak then you need to get yourself out first.

by tlear 6y ago

lotsofpulp 6y ago

The most expensive part of a kid is stretching yourself to your limits to get them into the most expensive neighborhoods (I.e. best schools) possible. And the unfortunate thing is the data shows that this is the best move for people to make, as the peers you are surrounded are the biggest determinant of your future success (see opportunity atlas). Which is why people stretch themselves to the max with 30 year mortgages. It’s inevitable in a society with ever widening wealth/income gaps.

agensaequivocum 6y ago
If you are putting off having a child on account of money you are doing life wrong. Plenty of large families have non-software incomes and do just fine. They may not be able to eat out but it's a sacrifice worth making.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  I think most people would agree that having children while homeless is a bad idea. Where that line is is a personal choice. I wouldn’t want kids unless I could reasonably guarantee they’d be in a decent school district with some chance to move up the socioeconomic ladder. But thats just my opinion.
  - ideals 6y ago
    Pretty big group of people who fit between software engineer and living in a tent in SF.
- bradlys 6y ago
  > If you are putting off having a child on account of money you are doing life wrong. Plenty of large families have non-software incomes and do just fine. They may not be able to eat out but it's a sacrifice worth making. This varies a lot on where you live and the income. Not everyone in software is making $400k+/yr in the bay area. Plenty of large families continue a streak of poverty for generations. Poverty and trauma are very generational. If you don't want to continue that streak then you need to get yourself out first.