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>> There are legitimate reasons for port scanning Such as?

by asudosandwich 6y ago

jimmaswell 6y ago
IRC servers detect open proxies that way.
- jorams 6y ago
  IRC servers don't run in a browser. Instead they scan ports from the outside, which is not a problem. Anything they find is open to the entire internet anyway.
bjt2n3904 6y ago
You run a network, and want to run a security audit. You need to know what devices are operating on it, and what services they are offering. I don't get upset if someone opens and closes a socket to my VPS to see if something's there. My VPS is exposed to the internet. If a socket opens, it should be secure anyways. There's the chance nginx has an unknown zero day, but if I wanted to avoid that, I'd firewall it. Things are a little less nice if you open a socket and start sending data to see what's there, assuming the server doesn't respond with a banner.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  What about port scanning your service before you've secured it during development? At some point we have to be able to trust the network we're on. It's ludicrous to expect everything to be configured correctly and securely right from the start especially if you're developing the thing being scanned while it's being scanned. I'd much rather websites not be able to scan my home or office network than have to treat that network like I treat the Internet.
- cgranier 6y ago
  But that's a very different use case than having a website you visit portscan your computer (which I believe is what the user above you is referring to. There's really no legitimate reason for eBay, or any other website, to portscan your computer. There's nothing there needed for browsing their website.
- pdonis 6y ago
  > You run a network That might be a reason for you to port scan your network. It is not a reason for your website to port scan my network. Especially since your website running inside my browser is inside my firewall. > and want to run a security audit Then you use tools designed to run security audits. You don't open a huge security hole in everybody's browser just so you can use a browser to run a security audit.
- ohazi 6y ago
  > I don't get upset if someone opens and closes a socket to my VPS to see if something's there. My VPS is exposed to the internet. That's not what's happening here. My laptop is not exposed to the public internet because it's behind a firewall / NAT. This is like going to my house, plugging a device into an Ethernet port on my router, and scanning my internal network from inside my network. Except instead of them planting a device, all they have to do is get you to navigate to their webpage. They're getting your laptop to do the port scanning for them, and in so doing, they get access to your internal network. The problem isn't port scanning, the problem is NAT busting.
iso1631 6y ago
Without context people might get the wrong end of the stick. There are legitimate reasons to use nmap on your own equipment, sure. A port scanner running on a webpage without the users knowlege is never legitimate. So the question is what legitimate reason is there for a port scanner running in a web browser with the users knowledge?

>> There are legitimate reasons for port scanning Such as?

jimmaswell 6y ago

IRC servers detect open proxies that way.

jorams 6y ago
IRC servers don't run in a browser. Instead they scan ports from the outside, which is not a problem. Anything they find is open to the entire internet anyway.

bjt2n3904 6y ago

You run a network, and want to run a security audit. You need to know what devices are operating on it, and what services they are offering. I don't get upset if someone opens and closes a socket to my VPS to see if something's there. My VPS is exposed to the internet. If a socket opens, it should be secure anyways. There's the chance nginx has an unknown zero day, but if I wanted to avoid that, I'd firewall it. Things are a little less nice if you open a socket and start sending data to see what's there, assuming the server doesn't respond with a banner.

jschwartzi 6y ago
What about port scanning your service before you've secured it during development? At some point we have to be able to trust the network we're on. It's ludicrous to expect everything to be configured correctly and securely right from the start especially if you're developing the thing being scanned while it's being scanned. I'd much rather websites not be able to scan my home or office network than have to treat that network like I treat the Internet.
cgranier 6y ago
But that's a very different use case than having a website you visit portscan your computer (which I believe is what the user above you is referring to. There's really no legitimate reason for eBay, or any other website, to portscan your computer. There's nothing there needed for browsing their website.
pdonis 6y ago
> You run a network That might be a reason for you to port scan your network. It is not a reason for your website to port scan my network. Especially since your website running inside my browser is inside my firewall. > and want to run a security audit Then you use tools designed to run security audits. You don't open a huge security hole in everybody's browser just so you can use a browser to run a security audit.
ohazi 6y ago
> I don't get upset if someone opens and closes a socket to my VPS to see if something's there. My VPS is exposed to the internet. That's not what's happening here. My laptop is not exposed to the public internet because it's behind a firewall / NAT. This is like going to my house, plugging a device into an Ethernet port on my router, and scanning my internal network from inside my network. Except instead of them planting a device, all they have to do is get you to navigate to their webpage. They're getting your laptop to do the port scanning for them, and in so doing, they get access to your internal network. The problem isn't port scanning, the problem is NAT busting.

iso1631 6y ago

Without context people might get the wrong end of the stick. There are legitimate reasons to use nmap on your own equipment, sure. A port scanner running on a webpage without the users knowlege is never legitimate. So the question is what legitimate reason is there for a port scanner running in a web browser with the users knowledge?