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TFA: > which really should have implemented a well-known concept (Monoid, Monad, Alternative, whatever), but they fell short because they (probably) didn't kno

TFA: > which really should have implemented a well-known concept (Monoid, Monad, Alternative, whatever), but they fell short because they (probably) didn't know the concept If that's not smug self-satisfaction, I don't know what is. No consideration that there were reasons they implemented their system in a different way. Suggestion that it was done due to ill-education on their part. I reread it carefully after your accusation. I don't want to too readily assume the worst in people. I am extremely comfortable with the accusation I laid on that thread. But to your other point, I don't consider the possibility that they have good reason for their smugness. I don't find it implausible (as I said, albeit sarcastically), I just find smugness entirely orthogonal to correctness. There are brilliant smug people, but flat-earthers are also among the more smug people I've encountered. If I lived in a world with only ten languages, I might agree I was punishing myself more than them. But I will never learn every language, tool, technique or skill I want to, so why would I ever start here?

naasking 6y ago
> If that's not smug self-satisfaction, I don't know what is. No consideration that there were reasons they implemented their system in a different way. Of course there was consideration. The history surrounding this is well documented. People familiar with the relevant concepts raised the problems with the JS Promise API early on, but were dismissed. Which is also beside the point, because generalizing from N=1 is silly. If I'm being generous, you pointed out one smug Haskeller, where you claimed that the entire community was smug. > If I lived in a world with only ten languages, I might agree I was punishing myself more than them. But I will never learn every language, tool, technique or skill I want to, so why would I ever start here? Allow me to rephrase with an analogy to illustrate: I can easily solve 90% of my problems perfectly well with just integers, reals and complex numbers, so why would I ever learn general vector or matrix math? Certainly that's your perogative, but I hope you'll agree that you're ignoring a powerful tool that would subsume all of your previous understanding of these abstractions, and which would let you solve those same problems, and more, better.

naasking 6y ago

> If that's not smug self-satisfaction, I don't know what is. No consideration that there were reasons they implemented their system in a different way. Of course there was consideration. The history surrounding this is well documented. People familiar with the relevant concepts raised the problems with the JS Promise API early on, but were dismissed. Which is also beside the point, because generalizing from N=1 is silly. If I'm being generous, you pointed out one smug Haskeller, where you claimed that the entire community was smug. > If I lived in a world with only ten languages, I might agree I was punishing myself more than them. But I will never learn every language, tool, technique or skill I want to, so why would I ever start here? Allow me to rephrase with an analogy to illustrate: I can easily solve 90% of my problems perfectly well with just integers, reals and complex numbers, so why would I ever learn general vector or matrix math? Certainly that's your perogative, but I hope you'll agree that you're ignoring a powerful tool that would subsume all of your previous understanding of these abstractions, and which would let you solve those same problems, and more, better.