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If you're a regular citizen with no reason for suspicion, or just a journalist and still get spied on "just in case" then it's a violation of those rights. The

If you're a regular citizen with no reason for suspicion, or just a journalist and still get spied on "just in case" then it's a violation of those rights. The constitution is there to ensure that people are considered an enemies that haven't been caught yet. Unless you have a concrete reason to suspect spying is needed, then it's not needed. And "may be a criminal therefore must be a criminal" is not such a reason. It's just like the Police shouldn't treat people like criminals who haven't given themselves away and search their cars and houses arbitrarily. The constitution should be there to actually defend those rights, not just so people have something to pound their chests about every day while being undermined by all kinds of laws and exceptions, making it selectively worthless.

mytailorisrich 6y ago
The discussion is not about citizens. It's very costly to do blanket monitoring so in practice it's just keywords matching or they do target suspicious people for more in depth analysis. I am quite comfortable with my country's intelligence services doing blanket keywords monitoring, or more, on as many communications as they can get their hands on coming from specific countries or geographical areas. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" as the saying goes.
- close04 6y ago
  > The discussion is not about citizens. It is about any person that would be caught in the wide spying net despite not being under any reasonable suspicion whatsoever. Blanket monitoring just means "more than one's warranted interest targets". If there are reasons for suspicion and they justify spying it will still happen. > I am quite comfortable Should the constitution enshrine the right to "the lowest thing one person is quite comfortable with"? Yes, plenty of people are quite comfortable taking a lot of crap as long as they can still brag about their rights and their constitution. Others would rather see those rights enforced. Do you want your constitution to protect more than your bragging rights? Than perhaps you should defend it an not just "be comfortable" with one more violation.
  - mytailorisrich 6y ago
    If only we all lived in the world you seem to live in!

mytailorisrich 6y ago

The discussion is not about citizens. It's very costly to do blanket monitoring so in practice it's just keywords matching or they do target suspicious people for more in depth analysis. I am quite comfortable with my country's intelligence services doing blanket keywords monitoring, or more, on as many communications as they can get their hands on coming from specific countries or geographical areas. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" as the saying goes.

close04 6y ago
> The discussion is not about citizens. It is about any person that would be caught in the wide spying net despite not being under any reasonable suspicion whatsoever. Blanket monitoring just means "more than one's warranted interest targets". If there are reasons for suspicion and they justify spying it will still happen. > I am quite comfortable Should the constitution enshrine the right to "the lowest thing one person is quite comfortable with"? Yes, plenty of people are quite comfortable taking a lot of crap as long as they can still brag about their rights and their constitution. Others would rather see those rights enforced. Do you want your constitution to protect more than your bragging rights? Than perhaps you should defend it an not just "be comfortable" with one more violation.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  If only we all lived in the world you seem to live in!