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I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant

I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. These online services aren't small mom/pop shops that you can just replace and patronize another. They are global near-monopolies that you cannot function without. Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat.

a10c 6y ago
> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, You have no alternative to any of those services?
tim333 6y ago
I'm skeptical of "kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth" The Daily Stormer is fairly bad as sites go "Jews Howl as Portuguese Move to Shut Down Their Citizenship Scam" typical story - and after various attempts to get rid of them all you have to do to go to the site is google them and click on the link in the wikipedia page. About the only sites that are really kicked out of all restaurants are paedophila ones and they deserve that and more IMO.
- bitwize 6y ago
  Twitter has actually vowed to support pedos, as long as they don't talk about plans to hurt actual, particular children. But the community of "MAPs" is protected by social media these days. Repeat the 13-50 statistic, though, and you're out (though the likes of "kill all white people" appears to be ok).
perilunar 6y ago
> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat. More fool you. Maybe you should diversify a bit.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  Aye, a bit part of my push this year has been de-googling my life. Along with de-facebooking and de-microsofting.
orf 6y ago
A more apt comparison is being banned from every bar/pub in town for causing issues, without due process and without having set foot in some of them. Which is perfectly fine and acceptable
- koheripbal 6y ago
  Being banned from every bar and restaurant in the world for something he said? Have you ever heard of such a thing? It would be ludicrous.
cycomanic 6y ago
So where were you when the Isis videos were taken off YouTube and ISIS twitter accounts were deleted? The thing is the outcry always only comes when companies don't want to be associated with some right-wing nutjobs hate speech, while I never hear the same people shouting that ISIS promo videos should not be taken down because of censorship. If all censorship is always bad, why not complain about those cases? Call me sceptical, but to me this sounds very much like, "hey they remove content that I sympathise with, instead of content that I don't like" and almost always aimed at propagating the myth of right-wing victimhood.
- beefbroccoli 6y ago
  If I advocate for criminal activity and my advocacy is likely to produce said criminal activity, that speech is not protected.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  You really cannot differentiate between content that should criminal murder in progress versus Alex Jones's conspiracy theories? That's a pretty soft shell you have.
kelnos 6y ago
> I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. That's a bit of a straw man, no? Jones still has plenty of perfectly-functioning restaurants to visit, with quite extensive menus. If one of the biggest assholes on the internet still has a platform to spew his hate, I don't think we're in any danger of this dystopian society existing where people can be completely silenced based on the will of a few corporations. > Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat. That's a choice you've made, not a required state of being. There are plenty of other companies that provide search, email, internet service, cell service, cloud repos, etc. that are just as (if not more) functional and featureful.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  I don't see how this is a straw man. He's been banned from all major social media platforms, for life, without due process. > That's a choice you've made... No, not really. Because my argument (perhaps wrongly) focused on Google, but it's still true that I have to choose a major near-monopoly corporation to do email, mobile, social media, telephone service, cloud, etc... There are no alternatives. Have you ever tried to stand up your own email server? You can't. Google won't even relay the emails.
unethical_ban 6y ago
I think you missed the parent's point. I read it as, "if you get kicked out of every restaurant on the planet, it might be your fault." Of course there are protections for certain classes of people based on their attributes or fundamentals, but society can call your bullshit out.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  This is hollow logic. If I say someone is punished unfairly, it's probably because they deserved it? Maybe you should tell that to a rape victim some time.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    "dang", is it okay if I call this a stupid argument? Someone is comparing social shaming for hate speech and lies and defamation - to someone getting physically raped. So someone who willfully, repeatedly, taunts murder victims' families, spreads lies and conspiracy theories, and feeds off the attention of the mentally ill - getting taken off private platforms that not only host his content for free, but earn him money: Is the same as telling a woman she somehow deserves getting raped. Grow the fuck up.

a10c 6y ago

> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, You have no alternative to any of those services?

tim333 6y ago

I'm skeptical of "kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth" The Daily Stormer is fairly bad as sites go "Jews Howl as Portuguese Move to Shut Down Their Citizenship Scam" typical story - and after various attempts to get rid of them all you have to do to go to the site is google them and click on the link in the wikipedia page. About the only sites that are really kicked out of all restaurants are paedophila ones and they deserve that and more IMO.

bitwize 6y ago
Twitter has actually vowed to support pedos, as long as they don't talk about plans to hurt actual, particular children. But the community of "MAPs" is protected by social media these days. Repeat the 13-50 statistic, though, and you're out (though the likes of "kill all white people" appears to be ok).

perilunar 6y ago

> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat. More fool you. Maybe you should diversify a bit.

blaser-waffle 6y ago
Aye, a bit part of my push this year has been de-googling my life. Along with de-facebooking and de-microsofting.

orf 6y ago

A more apt comparison is being banned from every bar/pub in town for causing issues, without due process and without having set foot in some of them. Which is perfectly fine and acceptable

koheripbal 6y ago
Being banned from every bar and restaurant in the world for something he said? Have you ever heard of such a thing? It would be ludicrous.

cycomanic 6y ago

So where were you when the Isis videos were taken off YouTube and ISIS twitter accounts were deleted? The thing is the outcry always only comes when companies don't want to be associated with some right-wing nutjobs hate speech, while I never hear the same people shouting that ISIS promo videos should not be taken down because of censorship. If all censorship is always bad, why not complain about those cases? Call me sceptical, but to me this sounds very much like, "hey they remove content that I sympathise with, instead of content that I don't like" and almost always aimed at propagating the myth of right-wing victimhood.

beefbroccoli 6y ago
If I advocate for criminal activity and my advocacy is likely to produce said criminal activity, that speech is not protected.
koheripbal 6y ago
You really cannot differentiate between content that should criminal murder in progress versus Alex Jones's conspiracy theories? That's a pretty soft shell you have.

kelnos 6y ago

> I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. That's a bit of a straw man, no? Jones still has plenty of perfectly-functioning restaurants to visit, with quite extensive menus. If one of the biggest assholes on the internet still has a platform to spew his hate, I don't think we're in any danger of this dystopian society existing where people can be completely silenced based on the will of a few corporations. > Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat. That's a choice you've made, not a required state of being. There are plenty of other companies that provide search, email, internet service, cell service, cloud repos, etc. that are just as (if not more) functional and featureful.

koheripbal 6y ago
I don't see how this is a straw man. He's been banned from all major social media platforms, for life, without due process. > That's a choice you've made... No, not really. Because my argument (perhaps wrongly) focused on Google, but it's still true that I have to choose a major near-monopoly corporation to do email, mobile, social media, telephone service, cloud, etc... There are no alternatives. Have you ever tried to stand up your own email server? You can't. Google won't even relay the emails.

unethical_ban 6y ago

I think you missed the parent's point. I read it as, "if you get kicked out of every restaurant on the planet, it might be your fault." Of course there are protections for certain classes of people based on their attributes or fundamentals, but society can call your bullshit out.

koheripbal 6y ago
This is hollow logic. If I say someone is punished unfairly, it's probably because they deserved it? Maybe you should tell that to a rape victim some time.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  "dang", is it okay if I call this a stupid argument? Someone is comparing social shaming for hate speech and lies and defamation - to someone getting physically raped. So someone who willfully, repeatedly, taunts murder victims' families, spreads lies and conspiracy theories, and feeds off the attention of the mentally ill - getting taken off private platforms that not only host his content for free, but earn him money: Is the same as telling a woman she somehow deserves getting raped. Grow the fuck up.