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> Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? No. In fact I thought I explained that pretty clearl
by chroma 6y ago
> Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it?
No. In fact I thought I explained that pretty clearly. I said, "So far, we haven't figured out a way to separate good ideas from bad ones besides exposing people to them and seeing which memes reproduce in the population. In other words: If you ban people like Alex Jones, you also ban people who are activists for causes that society will adopt in the future. And we all end up worse off." I don't know how you can interpret that to mean that I am somehow in favor of Jones.
> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions.
That's not true. For example: David Irving's version of the Goebbels diaries is considered by many (including the late Christopher Hitchens) to be an important work. Irving was imprisoned in Austria for holocaust denial because of something he said 17 years earlier.[1] Apparently the statue of limitations is a long time when it comes to words. There are quite a few other examples, not to mention the chilling effect such laws have. There are also tiny annoyances such as Germany banning the swastika in Wolfenstein games and on models of Zeppelins. Is Germany's society so fragile that a symbol can topple it? They seem to think so.
These laws have a cost. Maybe they're worth it. Maybe they're not. But don't pretend they're pure upside. Many countries have no laws about holocaust denial and get along just fine. Personally, I prefer places and platforms where I can decide for myself what I'm allowed to read and hear.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial
- deanCommie 6y ago> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial So someone got convicted for holocaust denial because they denied the existence of the holocaust? The system works! Not being facetious, this is not a problem. > If you ban people like Alex Jones, you also ban people who are activists for causes that society will adopt in the future. And we all end up worse off." I don't know how you can interpret that to mean that I am somehow in favor of Jones. Easily because that's the implication of your statement. That there is no way to differentiate between Alex Jones's ideology and the ideology of human rights activists. Which is a ridiculous premise.