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> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions. Debatable. Banning holocaust denial is one of th

> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions. Debatable. Banning holocaust denial is one of the greatest travesties in Western free speech. You just gave anti-Semites one more reason to believe there’s a global Jewish conspiracy going on and another recruitment tool.

NotSammyHagar 6y ago
You'll have to explain why it's such a great travesty because it's not obvious.
- asguy 6y ago
  Because the types of people that would believe in Holocaust-denial in 2020, are the same types of people that are fed by conspiracy theories when things are banned.
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    So what's the problem?
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    - TomMarius 6y ago
      The existance of such ban. It feeds the conspiracy theorists, and it's just weird - why only this genocide, and not the communist one, which is increasingly denied thanks to Russian online presence? Why saying "Heil Hitler" and the gesture is criminal offense, but "Cest praci, soudruhu" (a Czech communist greeting) is not, and why the Hakenkreuz is forbidden, but the star, hammer and sickle is not? Why do statues of Stalin and Lenin and other communist leaders remain standing around the world? Surely you can imagine the outrage if it was Hitler's statue. The laws shouldn't have such weirds corner cases of completely banning references to one thing and ignoring another, arguably worse thing.
- wolco 6y ago
  Why is banning speech a great travesty? Because it hides the truth. Perhaps someone will discover people you wouldn't expect involved doing things we wouldn't expect which may cause some aspects from being denied to cease to be true. Silencing one groups end up silencing another. Why don't we have a law banning denial of other genocides like the Armenian genocide. There should be an equal concern for all genocides being denied.

NotSammyHagar 6y ago

You'll have to explain why it's such a great travesty because it's not obvious.

asguy 6y ago
Because the types of people that would believe in Holocaust-denial in 2020, are the same types of people that are fed by conspiracy theories when things are banned.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  So what's the problem?
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  - TomMarius 6y ago
    The existance of such ban. It feeds the conspiracy theorists, and it's just weird - why only this genocide, and not the communist one, which is increasingly denied thanks to Russian online presence? Why saying "Heil Hitler" and the gesture is criminal offense, but "Cest praci, soudruhu" (a Czech communist greeting) is not, and why the Hakenkreuz is forbidden, but the star, hammer and sickle is not? Why do statues of Stalin and Lenin and other communist leaders remain standing around the world? Surely you can imagine the outrage if it was Hitler's statue. The laws shouldn't have such weirds corner cases of completely banning references to one thing and ignoring another, arguably worse thing.
wolco 6y ago
Why is banning speech a great travesty? Because it hides the truth. Perhaps someone will discover people you wouldn't expect involved doing things we wouldn't expect which may cause some aspects from being denied to cease to be true. Silencing one groups end up silencing another. Why don't we have a law banning denial of other genocides like the Armenian genocide. There should be an equal concern for all genocides being denied.