5 ms·

Americans Are Giving Made-in-China the Cold Shoulder: Bloomberg

30 points by ycombonator 6y ago

tomg 6y ago
Easy to say; hard to do.
Terretta 6y ago
Dollars to wontons the pollster’s pen was “Made in China”.
djklanac 6y ago
I hope to see a democratic China in my lifetime. Rationalize the “cold shoulder” however you like. But the CCP has so much more than to answer for beyond their self-interested COVID cover-up. Ask a Uighur Muslim who’s fortunate enough to “graduate” from their re-education camp. Or maybe inquire further with one of the untrustworthy who have been black listed by the social credit system. There are so many reasons to give the CCP the cold shoulder. It’s also fitting that this article comes out near the Tiananmen Square massacre. Like another posted earlier though: easier said than done.
- mydongle 6y ago
  I wonder if we'll see the day where not buying made-in-china is now racism against Chinese people. Anything goes in 2020 so it's possible!
  - Google234 6y ago
    This is already the case.
  - cfu0 6y ago
    This confuses the notion of a people with that of a state, and supposes that the sum of the people (or their majority) back the practices of the state. Boycotting a 'Made in X' market is not inherently racist, as it doesn't ascribe value judgments to the people of X. Instead, it promotes a bias towards one economy rather than another, for the purpose of relocating profit rather than because of ideological concerns. So, if we do see an equation of 'Boycott Made in X' with racism against X, then that will probably be reverse (State of X-run?) propaganda.
- yumraj 6y ago
  Looks like everyone's forgotten the Tibetans.
- cfu0 6y ago
  > I hope to see a democratic China in my lifetime. This seems unlikely, given how Xi is now in for the long haul, and the CCP has strong enough a hold on the country that relinquishing power in favor of a system of democratic elections seems unrealistic. Not to mention that modern-day democracy favors the richest. Russia started having elections after the collapse of the USSR, yet those with capital and influence seem to come out on top. Similarly with the US, where the larger election funds can afford to influence ('propagandize') the voters. Perhaps democracy is a good idea, but one that doesn't scale well beyond the city-state.
jaimex2 6y ago
I'd love to see a site curating products and where they are made. How much of my iPhone is made in China?
- tschwimmer 6y ago
  Old, but this article[0] shows that many of the components are made outside of China. Final assembly happens in China. [0] https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503 https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503
yumraj 6y ago
I'm really interested in knowing Biden's position on China. So far I haven't seen much, but could have also missed it.
- rdtwo 6y ago
  Biden has a position? Shit I’m still waiting to confirm he has a pulse.
- ycombonator 6y ago
  Hunter Biden still listed on board of Chinese company he was to resign from: report [1] [1] https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/hunter-biden-still-listed-as-board-member-of-chinese-company-report/ https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/hunter-biden-still-listed-as-b...
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Shhh. No one is supposed to mention Hunter, remember?
- AtomicOrbital 6y ago
  You can learn a lot from digging into why the CCP ( chinese communist party ) hates Trump and why the are doing everything they can to block him from getting re-elected ... its really not about Biden's position or lack there of its more about realizing the putative benefits of allowing Trump to push back especially w.r.t. Intellectual Property theft which has been siphoning trillions off past/present/future earnings not only in the US but in the West generally
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
How much do the results of this study matter in real-life? I remember as a child they had a big "Buy American" push. It didn't work, mostly because people aren't willing to pay the premium to buy American, and a company that produces in the US will have to compete against a company that produces in China with far less costs. That's not a realistic or winning solution to say the least.
- qeternity 6y ago
  It’s like all the faux-outrage over privacy violations by FB et al. When push comes to shove, people don’t care enough and they’d rather have it free or cheap.

30 points by ycombonator 6y ago

tomg 6y ago

Easy to say; hard to do.

Terretta 6y ago

Dollars to wontons the pollster’s pen was “Made in China”.

djklanac 6y ago

I hope to see a democratic China in my lifetime. Rationalize the “cold shoulder” however you like. But the CCP has so much more than to answer for beyond their self-interested COVID cover-up. Ask a Uighur Muslim who’s fortunate enough to “graduate” from their re-education camp. Or maybe inquire further with one of the untrustworthy who have been black listed by the social credit system. There are so many reasons to give the CCP the cold shoulder. It’s also fitting that this article comes out near the Tiananmen Square massacre. Like another posted earlier though: easier said than done.

mydongle 6y ago
I wonder if we'll see the day where not buying made-in-china is now racism against Chinese people. Anything goes in 2020 so it's possible!
- Google234 6y ago
  This is already the case.
- cfu0 6y ago
  This confuses the notion of a people with that of a state, and supposes that the sum of the people (or their majority) back the practices of the state. Boycotting a 'Made in X' market is not inherently racist, as it doesn't ascribe value judgments to the people of X. Instead, it promotes a bias towards one economy rather than another, for the purpose of relocating profit rather than because of ideological concerns. So, if we do see an equation of 'Boycott Made in X' with racism against X, then that will probably be reverse (State of X-run?) propaganda.
yumraj 6y ago
Looks like everyone's forgotten the Tibetans.
cfu0 6y ago
> I hope to see a democratic China in my lifetime. This seems unlikely, given how Xi is now in for the long haul, and the CCP has strong enough a hold on the country that relinquishing power in favor of a system of democratic elections seems unrealistic. Not to mention that modern-day democracy favors the richest. Russia started having elections after the collapse of the USSR, yet those with capital and influence seem to come out on top. Similarly with the US, where the larger election funds can afford to influence ('propagandize') the voters. Perhaps democracy is a good idea, but one that doesn't scale well beyond the city-state.

jaimex2 6y ago

I'd love to see a site curating products and where they are made. How much of my iPhone is made in China?

tschwimmer 6y ago
Old, but this article[0] shows that many of the components are made outside of China. Final assembly happens in China. [0] https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503 https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503

yumraj 6y ago

I'm really interested in knowing Biden's position on China. So far I haven't seen much, but could have also missed it.

rdtwo 6y ago
Biden has a position? Shit I’m still waiting to confirm he has a pulse.
ycombonator 6y ago
Hunter Biden still listed on board of Chinese company he was to resign from: report [1] [1] https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/hunter-biden-still-listed-as-board-member-of-chinese-company-report/ https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/hunter-biden-still-listed-as-b...
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Shhh. No one is supposed to mention Hunter, remember?
AtomicOrbital 6y ago
You can learn a lot from digging into why the CCP ( chinese communist party ) hates Trump and why the are doing everything they can to block him from getting re-elected ... its really not about Biden's position or lack there of its more about realizing the putative benefits of allowing Trump to push back especially w.r.t. Intellectual Property theft which has been siphoning trillions off past/present/future earnings not only in the US but in the West generally

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

How much do the results of this study matter in real-life? I remember as a child they had a big "Buy American" push. It didn't work, mostly because people aren't willing to pay the premium to buy American, and a company that produces in the US will have to compete against a company that produces in China with far less costs. That's not a realistic or winning solution to say the least.

qeternity 6y ago
It’s like all the faux-outrage over privacy violations by FB et al. When push comes to shove, people don’t care enough and they’d rather have it free or cheap.