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I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful

I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

mattcaldwell 6y ago
He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.
    - RaleyField 6y ago
      That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".
      - UncleMeat 6y ago
        He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia. He was rightly criticized for saying this.
        RaleyField 6y ago
        You are choosing the most uncharitable reading which is not what he meant. How do I know that? Because, despite his meatheaddy appearances, he has consistently shown himself to not be transphobic, I watch his show. What he wanted to say is that her sex was biologically of male and that's why she has in this specific case unduly enormous advantage, to a degree that she is depriving others of fair chance at competing.
        tcberry 6y ago
        Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have, but it is beside the point. Trans women are women. If someone makes plainly transphobic comments, and then refuses to apologize for them (or even doubles down), I'm not going to go and listen to hundreds of hours of their content to attempt to gain a more nuanced understanding of their attitude towards the trans community. I'm just going to think of that person as a transphobe.
        HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
        >Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have Thats the conversation he was having. You don't have to listen to hours of content, just take it from people here telling you that that was the context of the discussion. Or don't and simply don't comment on the matter. You are not obliged to have an opinion on everything.
        confusedpikachu 6y ago
        Thank you for writing this, I was freaking out here doubting my own common sense.
        socratesque 6y ago
        Respectfully, I understand you have good intent trying to stand up for a marginalized group, but you're being very ignorant. You can't just helicopter in, show no interest in understanding the situation, then cherry-pick something to spew off some unwarranted opinions about before helicoptering out again. While that singular sentence is absolutely insensitive, the context absolutely matters if you're going to judge the character of the person who said it.
    - CyberDildonics 6y ago
      He doesn't need a "free pass". The context and what he was saying was crystal clear and has nothing to do with disrespecting someone who is transgender. This person was able to brutalize women because of attitudes like yours, where you are too afraid of using the incorrect pronoun even in the context of making a point about dangerous differences in physicality. This person beat a woman until her skull cracked and you are hung up on someone saying she has the physiology of a man. What do you think sets the acceptance of transgender people back more?
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- blargmaster33 6y ago
  Phobia is a medical condition! Accurately describing reality is not!
- medee 6y ago
  He was probably using the word "man" in reference to Fox's biological sex rather than gender identity.
- dbbk 6y ago
  I agree not very tactful. But also not enough to be 'cancelled' over.
- JSavageOne 6y ago
  Why does he have to abide by your personal ultra-conservative moral compass as to what is deemed "appropriate" or "not tactful enough"?

mattcaldwell 6y ago

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

CyberDildonics 6y ago
He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.
  - RaleyField 6y ago
    That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".
    - UncleMeat 6y ago
      He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia. He was rightly criticized for saying this.
      - RaleyField 6y ago
        You are choosing the most uncharitable reading which is not what he meant. How do I know that? Because, despite his meatheaddy appearances, he has consistently shown himself to not be transphobic, I watch his show. What he wanted to say is that her sex was biologically of male and that's why she has in this specific case unduly enormous advantage, to a degree that she is depriving others of fair chance at competing.
        tcberry 6y ago
        Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have, but it is beside the point. Trans women are women. If someone makes plainly transphobic comments, and then refuses to apologize for them (or even doubles down), I'm not going to go and listen to hundreds of hours of their content to attempt to gain a more nuanced understanding of their attitude towards the trans community. I'm just going to think of that person as a transphobe.
        HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
        >Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have Thats the conversation he was having. You don't have to listen to hours of content, just take it from people here telling you that that was the context of the discussion. Or don't and simply don't comment on the matter. You are not obliged to have an opinion on everything.
        confusedpikachu 6y ago
        Thank you for writing this, I was freaking out here doubting my own common sense.
        socratesque 6y ago
        Respectfully, I understand you have good intent trying to stand up for a marginalized group, but you're being very ignorant. You can't just helicopter in, show no interest in understanding the situation, then cherry-pick something to spew off some unwarranted opinions about before helicoptering out again. While that singular sentence is absolutely insensitive, the context absolutely matters if you're going to judge the character of the person who said it.
  - CyberDildonics 6y ago
    He doesn't need a "free pass". The context and what he was saying was crystal clear and has nothing to do with disrespecting someone who is transgender. This person was able to brutalize women because of attitudes like yours, where you are too afraid of using the incorrect pronoun even in the context of making a point about dangerous differences in physicality. This person beat a woman until her skull cracked and you are hung up on someone saying she has the physiology of a man. What do you think sets the acceptance of transgender people back more?
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blargmaster33 6y ago
Phobia is a medical condition! Accurately describing reality is not!
medee 6y ago
He was probably using the word "man" in reference to Fox's biological sex rather than gender identity.
dbbk 6y ago
I agree not very tactful. But also not enough to be 'cancelled' over.
JSavageOne 6y ago
Why does he have to abide by your personal ultra-conservative moral compass as to what is deemed "appropriate" or "not tactful enough"?