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Some women are uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with trans-women. Should we continue to dictate how these women should behave and feel?

by 2019-nCoV 6y ago

XMPPwocky 6y ago
We generally established that "I don't feel comfortable being around them" is not an excuse to discriminate back in the 60s. To clarify: would you argue that the existence of separate drinking fountains for white people and black people is justified because many white people feel uncomfortable drinking from the same fountain a black person has just used? If not, why not?
- EdSharkey 6y ago
  Hm, I guess you could make an civil rights argument, but it's a tough sell when it comes to the ladies' room. There is a different take you may not be thinking of given that biological males' minds are naturally wretched and beyond contempt when it comes to everything dealing with sex. Some percentage of trans-women are trans primarily because that's a kink for them. It's their kink that has erupted onto their public person and now defines them. Perhaps that percentage is vanishingly small. But I say they must exist given that those women started with a male brain and given the disturbing preponderance of bimbo hypno erotic audio that's targeted primarily at men who want to get lost. See, there's simply no way to have this forbidden conversation because of the reactions. Oh well, fuck it, these are my observations and opinions. Into the breach! I gather that one source of women's discomfort is when they suspect it's a kink. Maybe it's a shared glance, or inappropriate attire or utterances made. It's not like biological women get to interrogate their trans sisters as to why they've come to the bathroom today. If they've come to enjoy the sexual thrill of a taboo space, then that's a violation. To a much lesser degree, men's bodies also stink worse than women do and make bigger shits that splash louder in the bowl - also very off-putting to women I'm sure. Not that trans-women can do anything about that, but it still factors. If you don't agree and all trans-women's hearts and motives are pure, well then God bless.
  - slg 6y ago
    I have to say that I have seen a lot of arguments in support of bathroom bans, but trans women have stinkier shits is new to me and perhaps the most outlandishly petty reason I could imagine. So while I disagree with the entirety of your post, I will give you kudos for coming up with that one.
    - EdSharkey 6y ago
      Well, thank you. Eyerolls and disgust right back at 'cha.
- defen 6y ago
  Isn't this an argument that there should be no bathroom segregation whatsoever? Why should women care if men use the same bathroom as them?
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    Yup and gender neutral bathrooms are a thing without much ceremony in a whole bunch of places.

Some women are uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with trans-women. Should we continue to dictate how these women should behave and feel?

XMPPwocky 6y ago

We generally established that "I don't feel comfortable being around them" is not an excuse to discriminate back in the 60s. To clarify: would you argue that the existence of separate drinking fountains for white people and black people is justified because many white people feel uncomfortable drinking from the same fountain a black person has just used? If not, why not?

EdSharkey 6y ago
Hm, I guess you could make an civil rights argument, but it's a tough sell when it comes to the ladies' room. There is a different take you may not be thinking of given that biological males' minds are naturally wretched and beyond contempt when it comes to everything dealing with sex. Some percentage of trans-women are trans primarily because that's a kink for them. It's their kink that has erupted onto their public person and now defines them. Perhaps that percentage is vanishingly small. But I say they must exist given that those women started with a male brain and given the disturbing preponderance of bimbo hypno erotic audio that's targeted primarily at men who want to get lost. See, there's simply no way to have this forbidden conversation because of the reactions. Oh well, fuck it, these are my observations and opinions. Into the breach! I gather that one source of women's discomfort is when they suspect it's a kink. Maybe it's a shared glance, or inappropriate attire or utterances made. It's not like biological women get to interrogate their trans sisters as to why they've come to the bathroom today. If they've come to enjoy the sexual thrill of a taboo space, then that's a violation. To a much lesser degree, men's bodies also stink worse than women do and make bigger shits that splash louder in the bowl - also very off-putting to women I'm sure. Not that trans-women can do anything about that, but it still factors. If you don't agree and all trans-women's hearts and motives are pure, well then God bless.
- slg 6y ago
  I have to say that I have seen a lot of arguments in support of bathroom bans, but trans women have stinkier shits is new to me and perhaps the most outlandishly petty reason I could imagine. So while I disagree with the entirety of your post, I will give you kudos for coming up with that one.
  - EdSharkey 6y ago
    Well, thank you. Eyerolls and disgust right back at 'cha.
defen 6y ago
Isn't this an argument that there should be no bathroom segregation whatsoever? Why should women care if men use the same bathroom as them?
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  Yup and gender neutral bathrooms are a thing without much ceremony in a whole bunch of places.