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From a reddit comment: >An epidemiologist, Dr. Carina Blackmore, was the one who contacted the IT director to make the change. Then the IT director contacted R

by natrik 6y ago

From a reddit comment: >An epidemiologist, Dr. Carina Blackmore, was the one who contacted the IT director to make the change. Then the IT director contacted Rebekah Jones to actually implement the change and she threw a fit. There is nothing to suggest Dr. Blackmore is political or wanted to support reopening. >https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-heal... >What Dr. Blackmore asked to be removed was a count of unconfirmed cases based on self-reported symptoms. They only wanted confirmed cases represented.

Mikeb85 6y ago
Well that's pretty damning. Seems like the firing was more than warranted.
- oneweekwonder 6y ago
  > Well that's pretty damning. What did see do wrong, except wanting to keep the "truth" on the dashboard? Please don't quote ops quotes for me, could also not find the comments or quotes in the article or /r/...
  - Mikeb85 6y ago
    Wanting to portray possible cases as confirmed cases... From the article posted above: > she objected to the removal of records showing people had symptoms or positive tests before the cases were announced
    - madiator 6y ago
      I don't see your quote in this article. Is there a different article you are referring to?
      - Mikeb85 6y ago
        It's in the first paragraph of this article: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-heal...
OG_BME 6y ago
I, and I imagine many others, immediately jumped to the conclusion that the data in question was more concrete, like confirmed cases or ICU counts. It goes to show how easily twists can be put on any story to serve a larger purpose
- hnzix 6y ago
  the data in question was more concrete, like confirmed cases or ICU counts There's been been accusations of government manipulation of perceived infection rates through under testing. More concrete data is arguably only an improvement if sufficient testing is being conducted.
  - bagacrap 6y ago
    But under testing has had the opposite effect of what you seem to be applying; it doesn't make the disease perceived as less dangerous, it makes the disease look much more severe by undercounting the mild cases.
    - hnzix 6y ago
      Undertesting might make the severe cases look more dangerous, but the media focus right now is "flattening the curve". By under-reporting the number of active cases, politicians can push for earlier reopening. The risk is that untested asymptomatic or presymptomatic cases can then exponentially spread back through the community. I do wholeheartedly agree with a sibling comment that self-reported data should be clearly separated from actual confirmed cases.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    I think the goal should be the most concrete data we have. A debate could be had on if self reporting or test data is more accurate. One factor to consider is if the self reporting data is being represented in a way commonly reserved for test data. Another factor to consider is that 33% of Americans think they may have had covid and 13% think they probably did [1]. This is grossly out of agreement with serology results. https://www.businessinsider.com/small-percentage-americans-who-believe-they-had-coronavirus-tested-economy-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/small-percentage-americans-w...
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pera 6y ago
Could you include a link to the comment? I was not able to find your quoted text with Google nor Reddit's search engine.
glenstein 6y ago
Who is making the claim that she 'threw a fit'? The redditor? That's patronizing, not something that helps me understand the nature of the disagreement, and not something that makes me think any attempt is being made at a charitable attempt to understand her actions.
- boublepop 6y ago
  Charity goes both ways. Jones hasn’t reported more details than this, so to attack reports that don’t align with hers based on inaccurate language while supporting her complete lack of details seems dishonest. And come on, we both know what a developer throwing a fit means.
  - fergal 6y ago
    Enlighten us.
    - devin 6y ago
      I appreciate an honest request for additional information, but you can do better than "enlighten us".
  - glenstein 6y ago
    >And come on, we both know what a developer throwing a fit means. No, I really don't. Tell me. Did she yell? Knock over a computer? What did she do? And then tell me which line of which news article supports that as a fair and charitable characterization. I don't know where that is coming from other than a commenter just asserting it. Meanwhile, as far as you are concerned, as long as you can close your eyes and picture what the fictional description of 'throwing a fit' looks like, that, rather than factual accuracy, is enough for you to accept the description. And I don't see how 'charity goes both ways' has anything to do with anything, insofar as it's relevant to the characterization of Jones. It's not an answer or justification, it's a smoking crater of nothingness. Do you have anything else?

by natrik 6y ago

Mikeb85 6y ago

Well that's pretty damning. Seems like the firing was more than warranted.

oneweekwonder 6y ago
> Well that's pretty damning. What did see do wrong, except wanting to keep the "truth" on the dashboard? Please don't quote ops quotes for me, could also not find the comments or quotes in the article or /r/...
- Mikeb85 6y ago
  Wanting to portray possible cases as confirmed cases... From the article posted above: > she objected to the removal of records showing people had symptoms or positive tests before the cases were announced
  - madiator 6y ago
    I don't see your quote in this article. Is there a different article you are referring to?
    - Mikeb85 6y ago
      It's in the first paragraph of this article: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-heal...

OG_BME 6y ago

I, and I imagine many others, immediately jumped to the conclusion that the data in question was more concrete, like confirmed cases or ICU counts. It goes to show how easily twists can be put on any story to serve a larger purpose

hnzix 6y ago
the data in question was more concrete, like confirmed cases or ICU counts There's been been accusations of government manipulation of perceived infection rates through under testing. More concrete data is arguably only an improvement if sufficient testing is being conducted.
- bagacrap 6y ago
  But under testing has had the opposite effect of what you seem to be applying; it doesn't make the disease perceived as less dangerous, it makes the disease look much more severe by undercounting the mild cases.
  - hnzix 6y ago
    Undertesting might make the severe cases look more dangerous, but the media focus right now is "flattening the curve". By under-reporting the number of active cases, politicians can push for earlier reopening. The risk is that untested asymptomatic or presymptomatic cases can then exponentially spread back through the community. I do wholeheartedly agree with a sibling comment that self-reported data should be clearly separated from actual confirmed cases.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  I think the goal should be the most concrete data we have. A debate could be had on if self reporting or test data is more accurate. One factor to consider is if the self reporting data is being represented in a way commonly reserved for test data. Another factor to consider is that 33% of Americans think they may have had covid and 13% think they probably did [1]. This is grossly out of agreement with serology results. https://www.businessinsider.com/small-percentage-americans-who-believe-they-had-coronavirus-tested-economy-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/small-percentage-americans-w...

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pera 6y ago

Could you include a link to the comment? I was not able to find your quoted text with Google nor Reddit's search engine.

glenstein 6y ago

Who is making the claim that she 'threw a fit'? The redditor? That's patronizing, not something that helps me understand the nature of the disagreement, and not something that makes me think any attempt is being made at a charitable attempt to understand her actions.

boublepop 6y ago
Charity goes both ways. Jones hasn’t reported more details than this, so to attack reports that don’t align with hers based on inaccurate language while supporting her complete lack of details seems dishonest. And come on, we both know what a developer throwing a fit means.
- fergal 6y ago
  Enlighten us.
  - devin 6y ago
    I appreciate an honest request for additional information, but you can do better than "enlighten us".
- glenstein 6y ago
  >And come on, we both know what a developer throwing a fit means. No, I really don't. Tell me. Did she yell? Knock over a computer? What did she do? And then tell me which line of which news article supports that as a fair and charitable characterization. I don't know where that is coming from other than a commenter just asserting it. Meanwhile, as far as you are concerned, as long as you can close your eyes and picture what the fictional description of 'throwing a fit' looks like, that, rather than factual accuracy, is enough for you to accept the description. And I don't see how 'charity goes both ways' has anything to do with anything, insofar as it's relevant to the characterization of Jones. It's not an answer or justification, it's a smoking crater of nothingness. Do you have anything else?