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The second link I included goes over some of the issues but regarding interactivity, just look at the videos its author produced to show it off. He's writing co

The second link I included goes over some of the issues but regarding interactivity, just look at the videos its author produced to show it off. He's writing code in either VIM or the shell. That's a long way from Factor's image-based interactivity and a long long way from Smalltalk and Lisp Machine-paradigm Lisps. Any language with a REPL can be described as "interactive" but that's not what having a strong focus on interactive development means. As Mikel Evins wrote, it's really about the entirety of a language being geared around interactive development.

mikelevins 6y ago
It's "mikel evins". I can't blame you for parsing it the other way; it's a more likely spelling. You can blame my eccentric father for the odd spelling of my first name, but he inherited the surname fair and square. It's pronounced exactly the same way as "Michael Evans."
- metroholografix 6y ago
  I'm always grateful when the map-territory distinction comes along and slaps me in the face. It's a signal that I should re-calibrate. It's been a while, thanks for making it happen!
7thaccount 6y ago
I actually take that as a positive item. He's able to effectively write code using just the terminal and vim. It doesn't get simpler than that. I really hate having to use something like Visual Studio or even VSCode. They're bloated and use a ton of resources. Playing around in Pharo is fun for a bit, but same problem. I 100% agree that it seems like you can't unwind the stack the same way you can in Common Lisp or Smalltalk though.
- metroholografix 6y ago
  Pharo is moving down strange pathways and some questionable recent implementation choices made me lose my faith (for now). Squeak has always been and remains my Smalltalk of choice, and if you can look past some -probable- superficial ugliness (e.g. Morphic) it remains relevant and extremely iconoclastic.
  - 7thaccount 6y ago
    It seems like Pharo has all the action going on. Is Squeak still maintained.

mikelevins 6y ago

It's "mikel evins". I can't blame you for parsing it the other way; it's a more likely spelling. You can blame my eccentric father for the odd spelling of my first name, but he inherited the surname fair and square. It's pronounced exactly the same way as "Michael Evans."

metroholografix 6y ago
I'm always grateful when the map-territory distinction comes along and slaps me in the face. It's a signal that I should re-calibrate. It's been a while, thanks for making it happen!

7thaccount 6y ago

I actually take that as a positive item. He's able to effectively write code using just the terminal and vim. It doesn't get simpler than that. I really hate having to use something like Visual Studio or even VSCode. They're bloated and use a ton of resources. Playing around in Pharo is fun for a bit, but same problem. I 100% agree that it seems like you can't unwind the stack the same way you can in Common Lisp or Smalltalk though.

metroholografix 6y ago
Pharo is moving down strange pathways and some questionable recent implementation choices made me lose my faith (for now). Squeak has always been and remains my Smalltalk of choice, and if you can look past some -probable- superficial ugliness (e.g. Morphic) it remains relevant and extremely iconoclastic.
- 7thaccount 6y ago
  It seems like Pharo has all the action going on. Is Squeak still maintained.