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I think only Dropbox actually put any significant resources into it? Google has donated a few tens of thousands of dollars to PyPy and didn't actually support

I think only Dropbox actually put any significant resources into it? Google has donated a few tens of thousands of dollars to PyPy and didn't actually support Unladen Swallow it was just a side project by a few employees. Instagram did contribute the GC.freeze work but that's all I know of? Do they also donate? It's nothing like the effort these companies put into building V8 or HHVM. PyPy was all research funding and tiny compared to those investments.

staticassertion 6y ago
Well, Google has their own Python type system and employed Guido for years. I'm sure they've spent millions on improving Python or their usage of Python. I suspect Instragram has spent > 1M dollars of eng time on Python. Agree, nowhere near v8/js.
- jashmatthews 6y ago
  Yeah, for sure! I meant focused work on improving Python performance.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    What I'm trying to say is that the companies spend money on the problem of Python performance. I doubt much of it is upstreaming improvements to Python, though I'm sure is (at least indirectly, funding Guido and other major Python developers), but most is probably just improving their own internal libraries, or, more likely, finding ways to FFI.
  - gsnedders 6y ago
    Google don't invest heavily in Python performance because the vast majority of their Python isn't performance sensitive, AIUI.
entha_saava 6y ago
Google had a project called unladen swallow which was about having a JIT in CPython. Google has also created grumpy, python to Go translator.
sandGorgon 6y ago
Interesting point you make. Does that imply that Pypy is not good at selling it's case ? Fundraising is a talent. Linus was good at talking about Linux as he was a coder.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  I think that is the main issue, while other dynamic language communities embrace their JIT efforts, in Python the majority just rewrites the code in C and moves on. There is even this skewed vision that is still writing Python. You will get in some long arguments with some guys or gals, trying to make the point that C isn't Python just because it gets a couple of Py_... calls.

staticassertion 6y ago

Well, Google has their own Python type system and employed Guido for years. I'm sure they've spent millions on improving Python or their usage of Python. I suspect Instragram has spent > 1M dollars of eng time on Python. Agree, nowhere near v8/js.

jashmatthews 6y ago
Yeah, for sure! I meant focused work on improving Python performance.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  What I'm trying to say is that the companies spend money on the problem of Python performance. I doubt much of it is upstreaming improvements to Python, though I'm sure is (at least indirectly, funding Guido and other major Python developers), but most is probably just improving their own internal libraries, or, more likely, finding ways to FFI.
- gsnedders 6y ago
  Google don't invest heavily in Python performance because the vast majority of their Python isn't performance sensitive, AIUI.

entha_saava 6y ago

Google had a project called unladen swallow which was about having a JIT in CPython. Google has also created grumpy, python to Go translator.

sandGorgon 6y ago

Interesting point you make. Does that imply that Pypy is not good at selling it's case ? Fundraising is a talent. Linus was good at talking about Linux as he was a coder.

pjmlp 6y ago
I think that is the main issue, while other dynamic language communities embrace their JIT efforts, in Python the majority just rewrites the code in C and moves on. There is even this skewed vision that is still writing Python. You will get in some long arguments with some guys or gals, trying to make the point that C isn't Python just because it gets a couple of Py_... calls.