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This isn't useless. Just the fact that Microsoft decided to make its own package manager is great! With it I can: - rebuild my machine from scratch. I've boug

by neves 6y ago

This isn't useless. Just the fact that Microsoft decided to make its own package manager is great! With it I can: - rebuild my machine from scratch. I've bought a new machine 2 months ago and still need to install something that I don't have. - know that the packages I'll install have less chance of being malware. - maybe I can install authorized packages myself in my business computer. - automatic updates

cm2187 6y ago
Please give chocolatey a try. That combined with batch files that sets all my environment right, plus all my data backed up with synology cloudstation means setting up a new machine is a 15 min job. And even if you installed softwares manually, try uninstalling them and re-installing them through chocolatey (usually you don't lose the settings). The ability to update all of your softwares with just one command line is something you quickly get addicted to. I wouldn't wait for this Microsoft version. Until it has thousands of 3rd party packages it will be pretty much useless.
- GordonS 6y ago
  > Please give chocolatey a try Please don't (see my other comment for a range of reasons why). I find scoop far more reliable than chocolately.
  - cm2187 6y ago
    I don't have an opinion on the respective technical merits, but after a quick glance at the package list, it doesn't come even close. Including "essential" desktop apps like Chrome, Firefox, SQL Management Studio, iTunes, Sysinternals, notepad++, irfanview, azure storage explorer, skype, etc. Because the worst pain the in the ass is not so much to install them all initially but to keep all of those updated over time.
    - GordonS 6y ago
      The amount of software available has been my only gripe for scoop vs chocolately - but I find scoop superior in every other way. But someone else here mentioned scoop-extras[0], which I hadn't heard of before, and contains over 1,000 apps (including Chrome, Firefox, notepad++, Irfanview, Skype, Sysinternals). [0] https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras
      - cm2187 6y ago
        The other consideration is how frequently are the packages updated?
        GordonS 6y ago
        I don't know, TBH. I've only used scoop for new installs. I've used chocolately for both new installs and updates in the past though, but wasn't impressed. IME, packages are frequently broken in part or fully, they are not regularly updated, or they are completely abandoned.
        cm2187 6y ago
        I am not questioning your experience but for the packages that I used (I just counted 63 on my desktop), I haven't noticed any of these problems. The only grief I have is that I have a bunch of VMs (<10), and if I set them to all update all their packages simultaneously, I get rate limited by chocolatey and need to wait a while for my IP to be unbanned. But for a free service, I can't really complain.
        beart 6y ago
        scoop does a git pull to update the index.nthe Giles themselves all have various third party sources. rate limiting had never been an issue for me. Most scoop packages use regex matching on urls or page content to auto detect new versions. I think the maintainers regularly update the index based on these values, with a very active contributor community handling edge cases.
- neves 6y ago
  I use chocolatey, but an official pm would be better. Just the ability to install tools in a drive other than my small ssd would be nice.
stinos 6y ago
I've been using OneGet + ChocolateyGet provider for that for a couple of years now. So on Powershell that's basically sudo { Install-Package A B C }. After Install-Package Sudo, that is.

by neves 6y ago

cm2187 6y ago

Please give chocolatey a try. That combined with batch files that sets all my environment right, plus all my data backed up with synology cloudstation means setting up a new machine is a 15 min job. And even if you installed softwares manually, try uninstalling them and re-installing them through chocolatey (usually you don't lose the settings). The ability to update all of your softwares with just one command line is something you quickly get addicted to. I wouldn't wait for this Microsoft version. Until it has thousands of 3rd party packages it will be pretty much useless.

GordonS 6y ago
> Please give chocolatey a try Please don't (see my other comment for a range of reasons why). I find scoop far more reliable than chocolately.
- cm2187 6y ago
  I don't have an opinion on the respective technical merits, but after a quick glance at the package list, it doesn't come even close. Including "essential" desktop apps like Chrome, Firefox, SQL Management Studio, iTunes, Sysinternals, notepad++, irfanview, azure storage explorer, skype, etc. Because the worst pain the in the ass is not so much to install them all initially but to keep all of those updated over time.
  - GordonS 6y ago
    The amount of software available has been my only gripe for scoop vs chocolately - but I find scoop superior in every other way. But someone else here mentioned scoop-extras[0], which I hadn't heard of before, and contains over 1,000 apps (including Chrome, Firefox, notepad++, Irfanview, Skype, Sysinternals). [0] https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras
    - cm2187 6y ago
      The other consideration is how frequently are the packages updated?
      - GordonS 6y ago
        I don't know, TBH. I've only used scoop for new installs. I've used chocolately for both new installs and updates in the past though, but wasn't impressed. IME, packages are frequently broken in part or fully, they are not regularly updated, or they are completely abandoned.
        cm2187 6y ago
        I am not questioning your experience but for the packages that I used (I just counted 63 on my desktop), I haven't noticed any of these problems. The only grief I have is that I have a bunch of VMs (<10), and if I set them to all update all their packages simultaneously, I get rate limited by chocolatey and need to wait a while for my IP to be unbanned. But for a free service, I can't really complain.
        beart 6y ago
        scoop does a git pull to update the index.nthe Giles themselves all have various third party sources. rate limiting had never been an issue for me. Most scoop packages use regex matching on urls or page content to auto detect new versions. I think the maintainers regularly update the index based on these values, with a very active contributor community handling edge cases.
neves 6y ago
I use chocolatey, but an official pm would be better. Just the ability to install tools in a drive other than my small ssd would be nice.

stinos 6y ago

I've been using OneGet + ChocolateyGet provider for that for a couple of years now. So on Powershell that's basically sudo { Install-Package A B C }. After Install-Package Sudo, that is.