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While I don't disagree that we need more information, basically the only person that is qualified to suggest what was asked to be changed is the person fired, s

While I don't disagree that we need more information, basically the only person that is qualified to suggest what was asked to be changed is the person fired, so if you don't take her word for it, then the state of Florida officials that want to bury this, are going to win.

xamuel 6y ago
>basically the only person that is qualified to suggest what was asked to be changed is the person fired What? By this logic, it would be virtually impossible to fire anyone who was willing to lie about what was said behind closed doors. Not saying the person in the article is lying, but I hope we haven't devolved to a state where individuals can make claims about wrongful termination and just automatically be assumed to be telling the truth. We have courts of law and discovery processes and things like that.
- nickff 6y ago
  I agree that considered judgement is desirable, but it seems that the recent surge in so-called 'cancel culture' has put an end to thoughfulness and patience.
- loa_in_ 6y ago
  You hopefully do realize that obviously in case of wrongful termination the state has incentive to cover it up. And... She's the only person fighting on her side and no lawyer has incentive to take a potentially losing battle against order of magnitude bigger opponent.
  - goldforever 6y ago
    idiot
smitty1e 6y ago
Hence the utility of court cases, with people under oath, and penalties for falsehoods.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  > ...and penalties for falsehoods 99.999% (some huge number of 9's) of people are never punished for lying in court. I asked the lawyer in a case we have what the consequences were for the other side getting caught lying to the judge... he just laughed. Nothing ever happens.
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henriquez 6y ago
A Freedom of Information request would resolve this. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a bit more nuance to the situation though.
- non-entity 6y ago
  I wonder how many FOIA requests turn up useful information. I've heard horror stories of people becoming victims of targeted harassment from agencies they attempted to get of FOIA request from.
- matthewdgreen 6y ago
  I have two FOIA requests pending with the Federal government, going on a year now. I have no idea what Florida's equivalent is like, but I suspect this story will be long forgotten by the time that produces a result. The most effective response is for the media to make a big deal about the possibility of censorship in the short term, and demand transparency from the state. If the state feels that their position is being misrepresented and there's no wrongdoing, they can make a public statement and correct the record.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    Florida's FOIA is called a sunshine law request... takes about 3-5 days depending on what you ask for.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      This is why “Florida man <does something insane>” is a meme; the sunshine laws result in police reports being made public in Florida in time to produce articles of this form.
      - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
        Police reports are automatically public but almost everything else is public. I had to request it for a documentary on Cybersecurity that went nowhere and got a lot of interesting info about state spending.
stronglikedan 6y ago
> the state of Florida officials that want to bury this I didn't see any mention of that accusation in the article. Is there another source somewhere that exposes these alleged intentions?
pmarreck 6y ago
This is bad reasoning. This is equivalent to someone claiming "I was fired because I found evidence of Martians mind-controlling the President" and then you responding with "if you don't take her word for it, then The Illuminati, who want to bury this story, are going to win!" Sorry, evidence doesn't work that way, neither does good reasoning
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Agree, bur, ignorant comparison.

xamuel 6y ago

>basically the only person that is qualified to suggest what was asked to be changed is the person fired What? By this logic, it would be virtually impossible to fire anyone who was willing to lie about what was said behind closed doors. Not saying the person in the article is lying, but I hope we haven't devolved to a state where individuals can make claims about wrongful termination and just automatically be assumed to be telling the truth. We have courts of law and discovery processes and things like that.

nickff 6y ago
I agree that considered judgement is desirable, but it seems that the recent surge in so-called 'cancel culture' has put an end to thoughfulness and patience.
loa_in_ 6y ago
You hopefully do realize that obviously in case of wrongful termination the state has incentive to cover it up. And... She's the only person fighting on her side and no lawyer has incentive to take a potentially losing battle against order of magnitude bigger opponent.
- goldforever 6y ago
  idiot

smitty1e 6y ago

Hence the utility of court cases, with people under oath, and penalties for falsehoods.

koheripbal 6y ago
> ...and penalties for falsehoods 99.999% (some huge number of 9's) of people are never punished for lying in court. I asked the lawyer in a case we have what the consequences were for the other side getting caught lying to the judge... he just laughed. Nothing ever happens.

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henriquez 6y ago

A Freedom of Information request would resolve this. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a bit more nuance to the situation though.

non-entity 6y ago
I wonder how many FOIA requests turn up useful information. I've heard horror stories of people becoming victims of targeted harassment from agencies they attempted to get of FOIA request from.
matthewdgreen 6y ago
I have two FOIA requests pending with the Federal government, going on a year now. I have no idea what Florida's equivalent is like, but I suspect this story will be long forgotten by the time that produces a result. The most effective response is for the media to make a big deal about the possibility of censorship in the short term, and demand transparency from the state. If the state feels that their position is being misrepresented and there's no wrongdoing, they can make a public statement and correct the record.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
  Florida's FOIA is called a sunshine law request... takes about 3-5 days depending on what you ask for.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    This is why “Florida man <does something insane>” is a meme; the sunshine laws result in police reports being made public in Florida in time to produce articles of this form.
    - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
      Police reports are automatically public but almost everything else is public. I had to request it for a documentary on Cybersecurity that went nowhere and got a lot of interesting info about state spending.

stronglikedan 6y ago

> the state of Florida officials that want to bury this I didn't see any mention of that accusation in the article. Is there another source somewhere that exposes these alleged intentions?

pmarreck 6y ago

This is bad reasoning. This is equivalent to someone claiming "I was fired because I found evidence of Martians mind-controlling the President" and then you responding with "if you don't take her word for it, then The Illuminati, who want to bury this story, are going to win!" Sorry, evidence doesn't work that way, neither does good reasoning

ta17711771 6y ago
Agree, bur, ignorant comparison.