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I understand where you're coming from on this. I do not think the the service itself is a source of emotional abuse, it's how it's used. Can it be used to abuse

I understand where you're coming from on this. I do not think the the service itself is a source of emotional abuse, it's how it's used. Can it be used to abuse privacy? Absolutely. I've seen other parents who have harassed their kid about where they are or how fast they are driving. I don't want to use it that way, I'm not going to use it that way. Modeling appropriate use of technology and privileges is an important lesson that needs be taught (and practiced). Lessons that translate to being an admin on a minecraft server or having root access on a system. When I first installed Life360 my son was using it to track me. He made some comment one day about how he saw where I'd gone for lunch. He'd been checking up on me. Since then, he's become bored stalking his family. With shelter-in-place in effect no one goes anywhere anyway.

chickenpotpie 6y ago
I don’t know. To me it’s the same as removing the lock from your child’s door. It’s safer, more convenient, and if you respect your child’s boundaries it’s functionally the same. But what message does that send? Installing this app might just be for convenience and safety and you’ve given me no reason to believe you would use abusively, but this is still an app that has a reputation of abuse and mistrust. Look it up on /r/teenagers or TikTok. Kids know this is a tool of abuse and installing it on their phone sends the message that a parent doesn’t trust their child to be safe. Especially as the child nears adulthood, when they’re about to be extremely independent.
- grawprog 6y ago
  I'm against the idea of tracking my kids, but on the other hand, i also look at it as kind of a challenge for them. I'd be pretty disappointed if my kid couldn't figure out how to get it off their phone or at least work around it or something. That's how I learned when my parents tried to install a keylogger on my computer when I was young. Plus, it'll help make them tracking savvy and teach them young they need to be aware of this and learn how to deal with them. It has become one of those constant things in today's society.
  - chickenpotpie 6y ago
    Challenging your child to learn tech so they can more effectively lie to you seems extremely unhealthy.
    - tetris11 6y ago
      What? No... this is clearly a system where an honest child is rewarded just as much as a dishonest one, and... Ah wait, no its not.
  - DagAgren 6y ago
    I... just, what exact message are you trying to send with that? Because I can't think of one that is not just massively bad.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      we live in a world with lots of rules. some of them are dumb, but carry serious consequences if you're caught. the message is, if you're gonna break the rules, you need to at least get away with it. it's (usually) better to get caught by your parents the first time, rather than an institution like school that isn't as invested in the outcome for you as an individual. not quite the same, but this reminds me of a conversation I recently had with my parents. they were fairly strict when I was a kid, and I was asking them as an adult why they were like that. they told me that they expected me to break the rules and considered it a healthy part of growing up. they set the rules conservatively so I wouldn't need to do anything terribly unsafe just to rebel.
      - tetris11 6y ago
        The alternative is of course that, out of love and respect for your parents, you chose not to bend the rules even when you could have because you trusted that your parents placed the rules there for good purpose in the first place. To then find out that a) the rules were placed to control you and not necessarily protect you, and b) they didn't trust you not to break them, and c) they wouldn't follow these rules themselves.... ...that surely leads to some serious implications in how you view society if the only definitions of rules you've experienced are seen as temporary barriers to getting what you want
- crhulls 6y ago
  Life360 CEO here - we are actually pairing up with teens to do some features that address this. 90%+ of families have no issues and use it in healthy ways. We are going to try to help that remaining 10% https://www.tiktok.com/@life360ceo/video/6827231499293576454 https://www.tiktok.com/@life360ceo/video/6827231499293576454

chickenpotpie 6y ago

I don’t know. To me it’s the same as removing the lock from your child’s door. It’s safer, more convenient, and if you respect your child’s boundaries it’s functionally the same. But what message does that send? Installing this app might just be for convenience and safety and you’ve given me no reason to believe you would use abusively, but this is still an app that has a reputation of abuse and mistrust. Look it up on /r/teenagers or TikTok. Kids know this is a tool of abuse and installing it on their phone sends the message that a parent doesn’t trust their child to be safe. Especially as the child nears adulthood, when they’re about to be extremely independent.

grawprog 6y ago
I'm against the idea of tracking my kids, but on the other hand, i also look at it as kind of a challenge for them. I'd be pretty disappointed if my kid couldn't figure out how to get it off their phone or at least work around it or something. That's how I learned when my parents tried to install a keylogger on my computer when I was young. Plus, it'll help make them tracking savvy and teach them young they need to be aware of this and learn how to deal with them. It has become one of those constant things in today's society.
- chickenpotpie 6y ago
  Challenging your child to learn tech so they can more effectively lie to you seems extremely unhealthy.
  - tetris11 6y ago
    What? No... this is clearly a system where an honest child is rewarded just as much as a dishonest one, and... Ah wait, no its not.
- DagAgren 6y ago
  I... just, what exact message are you trying to send with that? Because I can't think of one that is not just massively bad.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    we live in a world with lots of rules. some of them are dumb, but carry serious consequences if you're caught. the message is, if you're gonna break the rules, you need to at least get away with it. it's (usually) better to get caught by your parents the first time, rather than an institution like school that isn't as invested in the outcome for you as an individual. not quite the same, but this reminds me of a conversation I recently had with my parents. they were fairly strict when I was a kid, and I was asking them as an adult why they were like that. they told me that they expected me to break the rules and considered it a healthy part of growing up. they set the rules conservatively so I wouldn't need to do anything terribly unsafe just to rebel.
    - tetris11 6y ago
      The alternative is of course that, out of love and respect for your parents, you chose not to bend the rules even when you could have because you trusted that your parents placed the rules there for good purpose in the first place. To then find out that a) the rules were placed to control you and not necessarily protect you, and b) they didn't trust you not to break them, and c) they wouldn't follow these rules themselves.... ...that surely leads to some serious implications in how you view society if the only definitions of rules you've experienced are seen as temporary barriers to getting what you want
crhulls 6y ago
Life360 CEO here - we are actually pairing up with teens to do some features that address this. 90%+ of families have no issues and use it in healthy ways. We are going to try to help that remaining 10% https://www.tiktok.com/@life360ceo/video/6827231499293576454 https://www.tiktok.com/@life360ceo/video/6827231499293576454