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I'm not sure if you're purposely being silly or what.... But I will spell it out. If people stopped demanding meat, then factory farms wouldn't breed these anim

I'm not sure if you're purposely being silly or what.... But I will spell it out. If people stopped demanding meat, then factory farms wouldn't breed these animals, and the suffering for them would end.

effingwewt 6y ago
I get that this is something you are passionate about but the way you move goalposts and use ad hominem against every counter argument to yours doesn't help your point, nor does constantly bashing anyone who has a differing opinion. Make a rational argument to convince others, dont call names and avoid points you don't want to discuss, it just makes you look like a troll, and gives vegans/vegetarians a bad look by proxy. You have consistently avoided the fact that people eat meat (whether or not you like it or agree with it, you dont get to choose for other people), that animals in the wild have far less 'humane' deaths, in the wild, ie starvation and disease, etc. I agree this is a problem that needs a solution, but I don't see you giving one other than 'stop eating meat, morons'.
- bbrree66 6y ago
  Please show me the ad hominem. I said I think you may be purposefully misunderstanding, that is not ad hominem Where did I avoid the fact that people eat meat? And where did I avoid the fact that there are rough deaths in the wild? I addressed it specifically with "let's focus on the suffering that is CAUSED by us." Stop eating meat is the recommendation because that is the simple solution. That is the rational argument. There is no ethical way to eat meat. I've seen zero counter arguments to that point. How can there be more of a solution? Yes there are logistics involved in getting there but that is the simple and clear solution. Accepting that is step 1, logistics of doing it is step 2. What more do you need than a simple solution? It's also interesting that you accuse me of avoiding points then write an entire response that completely ignores the factually accurate points I have made.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    >> Please show me the ad hominem. I said I think you may be purposefully misunderstanding, that is not ad hominem What you wrote was "I'm not sure if you're purposely being silly or what". Also, you called the other poster a "moron". I see your account is relatively new so here is a link to the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please have a read. They will help you have a civilised discussion on HN and you will be better able to get your point across. For example, the reason your post above was flagged to death was because of its aggressive and personal tone, not because of the opinion you express that is also held and expressed by many other posters on HN.
    - bbrree66 6y ago
      My response that got flagged was "This is the only reasonable response in this entire post." Clearly it was being flagged for disagreement to the HN echo chamber. There is nothing offensive or personal in that statement.
      - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
        This is the comment from your account that I say was "flagged to death": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23236141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23236141 It says: >> "Or we just don't eat meat..... no that's too crazy! Moron" That is not an acceptable mode of communication on HN. The flagging has nothing to do with any "echo chamber", except perhaps for the echo chamber that reverberates with the opinion that calling your interlocutor a moron is just not on in this forum.

effingwewt 6y ago

I get that this is something you are passionate about but the way you move goalposts and use ad hominem against every counter argument to yours doesn't help your point, nor does constantly bashing anyone who has a differing opinion. Make a rational argument to convince others, dont call names and avoid points you don't want to discuss, it just makes you look like a troll, and gives vegans/vegetarians a bad look by proxy. You have consistently avoided the fact that people eat meat (whether or not you like it or agree with it, you dont get to choose for other people), that animals in the wild have far less 'humane' deaths, in the wild, ie starvation and disease, etc. I agree this is a problem that needs a solution, but I don't see you giving one other than 'stop eating meat, morons'.

bbrree66 6y ago
Please show me the ad hominem. I said I think you may be purposefully misunderstanding, that is not ad hominem Where did I avoid the fact that people eat meat? And where did I avoid the fact that there are rough deaths in the wild? I addressed it specifically with "let's focus on the suffering that is CAUSED by us." Stop eating meat is the recommendation because that is the simple solution. That is the rational argument. There is no ethical way to eat meat. I've seen zero counter arguments to that point. How can there be more of a solution? Yes there are logistics involved in getting there but that is the simple and clear solution. Accepting that is step 1, logistics of doing it is step 2. What more do you need than a simple solution? It's also interesting that you accuse me of avoiding points then write an entire response that completely ignores the factually accurate points I have made.
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  >> Please show me the ad hominem. I said I think you may be purposefully misunderstanding, that is not ad hominem What you wrote was "I'm not sure if you're purposely being silly or what". Also, you called the other poster a "moron". I see your account is relatively new so here is a link to the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please have a read. They will help you have a civilised discussion on HN and you will be better able to get your point across. For example, the reason your post above was flagged to death was because of its aggressive and personal tone, not because of the opinion you express that is also held and expressed by many other posters on HN.
  - bbrree66 6y ago
    My response that got flagged was "This is the only reasonable response in this entire post." Clearly it was being flagged for disagreement to the HN echo chamber. There is nothing offensive or personal in that statement.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
      This is the comment from your account that I say was "flagged to death": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23236141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23236141 It says: >> "Or we just don't eat meat..... no that's too crazy! Moron" That is not an acceptable mode of communication on HN. The flagging has nothing to do with any "echo chamber", except perhaps for the echo chamber that reverberates with the opinion that calling your interlocutor a moron is just not on in this forum.