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>> we need a new law barring all 3rd party tracking, data brokering, and all individually tailored advertising > Why do we need to ban it? I care about my priv

by ardy42 6y ago

>> we need a new law barring all 3rd party tracking, data brokering, and all individually tailored advertising > Why do we need to ban it? I care about my privacy. I would like clear disclosures and easy opt outs. But I don't need it banned for everyone else. Opt-outs aren't practical for the consumer and therefore don't work [1]. All that tracking/data brokering needs to be banned unless clear disclosures have been made and the consumer explicitly opts-in. [1] I know: years ago I literally spent several 8-hour days opting myself out of just one kind of data broker (scammy online people search websites). I still haven't gotten around to doing that for my wife, who is less likely to engage in quixotic quests, and sees opting out as a pointless waste of time.

YetAnotherMatt 6y ago
What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance?
- ardy42 6y ago
  > What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance? Better, but still not good enough. Finding and filling out 300 simple forms is still a lot of work and requires perfect vigilance. IMHO, opt-out is basically privacy theater: make it theoretically possible but practically impossible. Any opt-out system that comes anywhere close to being effective is just one default-change away from being the opt-in system that is should be.
- troydavis 6y ago
  CCPA tried to do that by requiring a prominent "Do not sell my information" link – and still didn't succeed: https://fpf.org/2019/12/19/examining-industry-approaches-to-ccpa-do-not-sell-compliance/ https://fpf.org/2019/12/19/examining-industry-approaches-to-... A significant minority of the target audience has never heard or seen the phrase "opt out." Here's an example just how hard it is to explain what's happening and make this discoverable, let alone make it easy: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/02/ccpa-comments-round-two-battle-do-not-sell-button http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/02/ccpa-comments-roun...

by ardy42 6y ago

YetAnotherMatt 6y ago

What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance?

ardy42 6y ago
> What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance? Better, but still not good enough. Finding and filling out 300 simple forms is still a lot of work and requires perfect vigilance. IMHO, opt-out is basically privacy theater: make it theoretically possible but practically impossible. Any opt-out system that comes anywhere close to being effective is just one default-change away from being the opt-in system that is should be.
troydavis 6y ago
CCPA tried to do that by requiring a prominent "Do not sell my information" link – and still didn't succeed: https://fpf.org/2019/12/19/examining-industry-approaches-to-ccpa-do-not-sell-compliance/ https://fpf.org/2019/12/19/examining-industry-approaches-to-... A significant minority of the target audience has never heard or seen the phrase "opt out." Here's an example just how hard it is to explain what's happening and make this discoverable, let alone make it easy: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/02/ccpa-comments-round-two-battle-do-not-sell-button http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/02/ccpa-comments-roun...