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So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today, and this isn't going to mislead anyone at all? Ho

So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today, and this isn't going to mislead anyone at all? How about that "water" can now be used do describe any clear liquid, including sulfuric acid? Go find your own words. "Shared source" has been used for literally decades to mean Defold's exact situation - why would you not use that?

matz1 6y ago
>So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today, and this isn't going to mislead anyone at all Yes you can, some people will hate it some people will like it, just like anything else
- vertex-four 6y ago
  The moon is made of cheese. Flubber dub. Go drink some water. Language is useless when it can't be used to create shared understanding.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Useless to you maybe, not everyone has the same purpose. Ok so for the purpose of "shared understanding", let use my preferred definition of open source then.
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      I mean, if you're just talking for the sake of talking rather than communicating anything, go for it, but most reasonable people will ignore you.
      - matz1 6y ago
        Just like you I'm challenging your usage of the word.
gpm 6y ago
> So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today This is actually a rather good description of what the OSI did. They took a term with plain meaning that was already in use and tried to define it to mean something else. Now people are getting mad when other people use the phrase "Donal Trump is a space alien" to literally mean that "Donald Trump is an alien from space". (I can only assume that people have previously said that Donal Trump is a space alien... there are a lot of strange people in the world after all)
- vertex-four 6y ago
  No, "open source" was not in common use at the time that OSI decided to use it. It's certainly not been used to mean anything except roughly OSI's definition until approximately two years ago, when Redis Labs decided to push the Commons Clause as being open source.
  - gpm 6y ago
    It was in use, both in software and in the world at large (especially the intelligence community). I suppose how it depends how you define "common" but "people use the term in official announcements and assume everyone knows what they mean" seems common enough to me. - The OSI claims to have coined the term in 1998 https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source-software https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source... - Here is a use of the term, 7 times, and as the main object, from 1996 http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0269.html http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0269.html - Here is a use of the term, as a proper noun, from 1993 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32/WoBvPB0U9Co/wXfpq5nEJTYJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.ms-windows.pro...
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      OK, now find me regular usage of "open source", applied to software, by more than one person trying to sell something, as meaning something different from the OSI definition between approx 2000 and 2017.

matz1 6y ago

>So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today, and this isn't going to mislead anyone at all Yes you can, some people will hate it some people will like it, just like anything else

vertex-four 6y ago
The moon is made of cheese. Flubber dub. Go drink some water. Language is useless when it can't be used to create shared understanding.
- matz1 6y ago
  Useless to you maybe, not everyone has the same purpose. Ok so for the purpose of "shared understanding", let use my preferred definition of open source then.
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    I mean, if you're just talking for the sake of talking rather than communicating anything, go for it, but most reasonable people will ignore you.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Just like you I'm challenging your usage of the word.

gpm 6y ago

> So I can just decide that "Donald Trump is a space alien" actually means that I'm gonna go buy a burger today This is actually a rather good description of what the OSI did. They took a term with plain meaning that was already in use and tried to define it to mean something else. Now people are getting mad when other people use the phrase "Donal Trump is a space alien" to literally mean that "Donald Trump is an alien from space". (I can only assume that people have previously said that Donal Trump is a space alien... there are a lot of strange people in the world after all)

vertex-four 6y ago
No, "open source" was not in common use at the time that OSI decided to use it. It's certainly not been used to mean anything except roughly OSI's definition until approximately two years ago, when Redis Labs decided to push the Commons Clause as being open source.
- gpm 6y ago
  It was in use, both in software and in the world at large (especially the intelligence community). I suppose how it depends how you define "common" but "people use the term in official announcements and assume everyone knows what they mean" seems common enough to me. - The OSI claims to have coined the term in 1998 https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source-software https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source... - Here is a use of the term, 7 times, and as the main object, from 1996 http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0269.html http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0269.html - Here is a use of the term, as a proper noun, from 1993 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32/WoBvPB0U9Co/wXfpq5nEJTYJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.ms-windows.pro...
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    OK, now find me regular usage of "open source", applied to software, by more than one person trying to sell something, as meaning something different from the OSI definition between approx 2000 and 2017.