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I'm closing 3 popups on every website I visit due to those not-policies not-dictated by not-EU. Now I realize that cookies and IP-addresses gathered by Faceboo

by nickpp 6y ago

I'm closing 3 popups on every website I visit due to those not-policies not-dictated by not-EU. Now I realize that cookies and IP-addresses gathered by Facebook are truly important things, unlike this tiny "flu-like" virus, but still...

idrae 6y ago
You're not being genuine here. The grand parent clearly states medical policies, which are not up to the EU to determine. That the EU has the power to dictate policies in other areas is not relevant.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
You're closing 3 popups on every website because the authors of those websites are huge assholes. There is no need for a consent popup on a website unless the website is doing something shady. Perhaps the greatest failure of GDPR is that this point needs to be explained ad nauseam. Anyway, this is irrelevant. EU was explicitly not meant to rule on healthcare-related matters for its member nations, so it's not ruling. That's a fact of the matter. Perhaps after all of this, people will vote to include healthcare into the EU's purview - and only then we'll be able to criticize its response to the next crisis.
- nickpp 6y ago
  No, those website authors are NOT assholes. They are providing awesome services I appreciate and take advantage of every day, otherwise I wouldn't visit them. I don't know what you think they are doing shady, but it never bothered me. Until some EU-asshole decided to protect me from myself, I guess. When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh?
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    > They are providing awesome services I appreciate and take advantage of every day, otherwise I wouldn't visit them. GDPR is there to ensure those awesome services aren't also taking advantage of you, by requiring them to disclose when they want to do so, and to ask you to explicitly agree to be taken advantage of. Clarity in business relationships is good, isn't it? > When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh? Not necessarily, not when it's broken for profit and to the detriment of the parties that doesn't partake in that profit. Going by your law of reasoning, slavery and child labour should've never been banned (after all, "everyone" in plantations/factories would be found breaking that law), and environmental protections should've never existed either ("what do you say I can no longer dump toxic waste into the river?").
    - nickpp 6y ago
      > GDPR is there to ensure those awesome services aren't also taking advantage of you You still haven’t explained how exactly I was taken advantage of. Because I never had anything to complain about. On the contrary, I was quite happy until EU started "helping" me. > Going by your law of reasoning, slavery and child labour should've never been banned Are you really comparing logging visitor IP addresses to slavery, child labor and toxic waste???
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        > You still haven’t explained how exactly I was taken advantage of. Every possible kind of data you radiate during your visit to such a site is collected and passed on to third parties that aggregate it to build a detailed profile of you, based on the information from sites you visit, services you use, games you play, places you shop, etc. That profile is nowadays primarily used to target you with advertising and direct marketing efforts - or, in other words, to suck money out of you, a little bit at a time. You're losing money because of this data collection - that's the primary reason for that collection in the first place - but it happens slowly and naturally, so you don't notice. And then there's a good chance that such profile of you will eventually find its way to your insurance provider, healthcare provider, or that your government decides to take a step towards totalitarianism, and then they'll have everyone's digital twins available for the secret police for free. I agree that the last one is hypothetical, but not that hypothetical, all things considering. > Are you really comparing logging visitor IP addresses to slavery, child labor and toxic waste??? No, I'm just showing the logical consequences of your "When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh?" through examples that are a little bit more clear-cut. Also, it's not "logging visitor IP" that causes the popup, it's "logging visitor IP, associating it with a bunch of UUIDs, and sending those UUIDs, along with whatever information the visitor's browser could gather and the server could give, to a bunch of third parties who also receive similar packets of information from other sites you visit". Also2, it's not "everybody", it's just businessmen. Normal people don't go around, record data about others without their knowledge or consent, and sell it to data brokers.

by nickpp 6y ago

idrae 6y ago

You're not being genuine here. The grand parent clearly states medical policies, which are not up to the EU to determine. That the EU has the power to dictate policies in other areas is not relevant.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

You're closing 3 popups on every website because the authors of those websites are huge assholes. There is no need for a consent popup on a website unless the website is doing something shady. Perhaps the greatest failure of GDPR is that this point needs to be explained ad nauseam. Anyway, this is irrelevant. EU was explicitly not meant to rule on healthcare-related matters for its member nations, so it's not ruling. That's a fact of the matter. Perhaps after all of this, people will vote to include healthcare into the EU's purview - and only then we'll be able to criticize its response to the next crisis.

nickpp 6y ago
No, those website authors are NOT assholes. They are providing awesome services I appreciate and take advantage of every day, otherwise I wouldn't visit them. I don't know what you think they are doing shady, but it never bothered me. Until some EU-asshole decided to protect me from myself, I guess. When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh?
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > They are providing awesome services I appreciate and take advantage of every day, otherwise I wouldn't visit them. GDPR is there to ensure those awesome services aren't also taking advantage of you, by requiring them to disclose when they want to do so, and to ask you to explicitly agree to be taken advantage of. Clarity in business relationships is good, isn't it? > When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh? Not necessarily, not when it's broken for profit and to the detriment of the parties that doesn't partake in that profit. Going by your law of reasoning, slavery and child labour should've never been banned (after all, "everyone" in plantations/factories would be found breaking that law), and environmental protections should've never existed either ("what do you say I can no longer dump toxic waste into the river?").
  - nickpp 6y ago
    > GDPR is there to ensure those awesome services aren't also taking advantage of you You still haven’t explained how exactly I was taken advantage of. Because I never had anything to complain about. On the contrary, I was quite happy until EU started "helping" me. > Going by your law of reasoning, slavery and child labour should've never been banned Are you really comparing logging visitor IP addresses to slavery, child labor and toxic waste???
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      > You still haven’t explained how exactly I was taken advantage of. Every possible kind of data you radiate during your visit to such a site is collected and passed on to third parties that aggregate it to build a detailed profile of you, based on the information from sites you visit, services you use, games you play, places you shop, etc. That profile is nowadays primarily used to target you with advertising and direct marketing efforts - or, in other words, to suck money out of you, a little bit at a time. You're losing money because of this data collection - that's the primary reason for that collection in the first place - but it happens slowly and naturally, so you don't notice. And then there's a good chance that such profile of you will eventually find its way to your insurance provider, healthcare provider, or that your government decides to take a step towards totalitarianism, and then they'll have everyone's digital twins available for the secret police for free. I agree that the last one is hypothetical, but not that hypothetical, all things considering. > Are you really comparing logging visitor IP addresses to slavery, child labor and toxic waste??? No, I'm just showing the logical consequences of your "When everybody is breaking the law maybe it is the law that is broken, eh?" through examples that are a little bit more clear-cut. Also, it's not "logging visitor IP" that causes the popup, it's "logging visitor IP, associating it with a bunch of UUIDs, and sending those UUIDs, along with whatever information the visitor's browser could gather and the server could give, to a bunch of third parties who also receive similar packets of information from other sites you visit". Also2, it's not "everybody", it's just businessmen. Normal people don't go around, record data about others without their knowledge or consent, and sell it to data brokers.