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Show me the data that indicates states that have opened in the last two weeks are experiencing spiking positives for the virus. Sure, I'll wait.

by slimed 6y ago

ckolkey 6y ago
Wait no longer! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/texas-coronavirus-deaths-spike-as-cities-lag-state-drive-to-reopen/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/te...
- slimed 6y ago
  My God! 58 deaths! Must be time to shut everything down and have great depression part deux!
  - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
    How many excess deaths are okay? 1000? 10,000? It's a false dichotomy to trade off a complete shutdown vs giving up on covid-19. The right strategy is get ppe and testing, then we can more carefully open things up. Make rules that people have to wear masks when they are close to others. Then you can more safely open things up. It's not one or the other.
    - slimed 6y ago
      How many excess deaths are not okay? 1? 10? The right strategy is to grin and bear it like our ancestors did. We'll have a vaccine soon enough. Or not. Either way, welcome to Planet Earth. Most of us Earthlings would prefer to live rather than hide.
      - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
        My point is there's not a choice only between staying at home and our idiotic state by state opening up w no plan or safety plan. We can open up when safe, have actual protections , ppe, testing together.
        slimed 6y ago
        You need to accept that is not going to happen any time soon. We don't have the luxury of sitting on our hands indefinitely.
- creato 6y ago
  Looking at the data for Texas holistically, it's unclear that there is a change in the trend in the last few weeks. In general I think this whole idealogical battle over reopening is really dumb. There isn't going to be either a significant economic recovery or a spike in cases, because only a tiny minority of people are going to actually behave the way they did before the shutdowns. Most people are still not going to engage in activities that really spread the virus significantly (densely pack restaurants, large indoor gatherings) and many, many people will wear masks.
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- leereeves 6y ago
  Yes, there was a spike of 56 new deaths reported on the 15th. Due to reopening? More likely due to noisy data. There was a similar spike of 50 new deaths reported on April 30th, before Texas reopened. And after the 15th, the numbers reverted to the mean: 33 on the 16th, 31 on the 17th. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas
  - makomk 6y ago
    The US media don't care about details like this, because they're not interested in actually informing people. They've been doing things like cherry-picking clusters related to meat processing plants that weren't covered by the lockdown anyway, blaming them on the lockdown being lifted, and wording their headlines to make it sound like there was a state-wide spike - and there's a very noticeable partisan bias in which states they're doing this to as well.

Show me the data that indicates states that have opened in the last two weeks are experiencing spiking positives for the virus. Sure, I'll wait.

by slimed 6y ago

Show me the data that indicates states that have opened in the last two weeks are experiencing spiking positives for the virus. Sure, I'll wait.

ckolkey 6y ago

Wait no longer! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/texas-coronavirus-deaths-spike-as-cities-lag-state-drive-to-reopen/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/te...

slimed 6y ago
My God! 58 deaths! Must be time to shut everything down and have great depression part deux!
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  How many excess deaths are okay? 1000? 10,000? It's a false dichotomy to trade off a complete shutdown vs giving up on covid-19. The right strategy is get ppe and testing, then we can more carefully open things up. Make rules that people have to wear masks when they are close to others. Then you can more safely open things up. It's not one or the other.
  - slimed 6y ago
    How many excess deaths are not okay? 1? 10? The right strategy is to grin and bear it like our ancestors did. We'll have a vaccine soon enough. Or not. Either way, welcome to Planet Earth. Most of us Earthlings would prefer to live rather than hide.
    - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
      My point is there's not a choice only between staying at home and our idiotic state by state opening up w no plan or safety plan. We can open up when safe, have actual protections , ppe, testing together.
      - slimed 6y ago
        You need to accept that is not going to happen any time soon. We don't have the luxury of sitting on our hands indefinitely.
creato 6y ago
Looking at the data for Texas holistically, it's unclear that there is a change in the trend in the last few weeks. In general I think this whole idealogical battle over reopening is really dumb. There isn't going to be either a significant economic recovery or a spike in cases, because only a tiny minority of people are going to actually behave the way they did before the shutdowns. Most people are still not going to engage in activities that really spread the virus significantly (densely pack restaurants, large indoor gatherings) and many, many people will wear masks.
- deleted 6y ago
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leereeves 6y ago
Yes, there was a spike of 56 new deaths reported on the 15th. Due to reopening? More likely due to noisy data. There was a similar spike of 50 new deaths reported on April 30th, before Texas reopened. And after the 15th, the numbers reverted to the mean: 33 on the 16th, 31 on the 17th. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas
- makomk 6y ago
  The US media don't care about details like this, because they're not interested in actually informing people. They've been doing things like cherry-picking clusters related to meat processing plants that weren't covered by the lockdown anyway, blaming them on the lockdown being lifted, and wording their headlines to make it sound like there was a state-wide spike - and there's a very noticeable partisan bias in which states they're doing this to as well.