4 ms·

Is JetBrain stack native? I don't think it is.

by fermienrico 6y ago

Iwan-Zotow 6y ago
Java/Kotlin mix, I believe
- fermienrico 6y ago
  That's another thing, Java apps just feel heavy. Like its got a couple of kilos of lead attached to it. Ever used Eclipse IDE? Holycrap. Also, Eclipse and Jet Brains software feel more similar to each other and now that you mentioned Java, that makes sense.
  - meddlepal 6y ago
    Have you actually ever used IntelliJ? It doesn't feel "heavy" compared to say Visual Studio (the real one, not Code).
    - fermienrico 6y ago
      I haven't used IntelliJ per se but I've used CLion which is similar sofware from Jet Brains. To me, both feel super heavy.
      - new_realist 6y ago
        They’ve piled everything on the UI thread like a freshman, now they are paying the price.
      - TylerE 6y ago
        It's not similar, it's the exact same code, just with features turned off. If I open a C project in IntelliJ it's literally the CLion plug-in.
    - tomc1985 6y ago
      VS on small projects feels pretty light. It's only on the larger projects and maybe Resharper in the mix that it becomes difficult
    - TylerE 6y ago
      I have used IntelliJ for years. I have found nothing I prefer to it. It is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, heavier than depleted uranium.
jvolkman 6y ago
No, it's based on Java's Swing.
rubber_duck 6y ago
Visual Studio is, JetBrains is JVM - but still closer to native than DOM.
- Avi-D-coder 6y ago
  How is Swing closer to native than DOM?
  - tomc1985 6y ago
    For one, Swing isn't build on top of technologies that specialize in displaying interactive documents
    - Avi-D-coder 6y ago
      Intuitively it it feels like that should make swing faster, but experientially swing feels heavy and slow. Is swing poorly optimized, is it due to being in Java? I'm not a UI dev and have not thought about it much.
      - tomc1985 6y ago
        I'd agree that Swing feels heavy... but Electron feels an order of magnitude heavier. Though, when done right, it feels fairly close to native. I earn my pay working with IDEA and if you turn off the plugins you don't need its actually quite snappy where you would reasonably expect it to be. I would bet it takes far less optimization to get there than an equivalent Electron application
  - rubber_duck 6y ago
    You aren't sandboxed - you can reach out to native API/code if you hit some limits, you have threads, etc.

Is JetBrain stack native? I don't think it is.

Iwan-Zotow 6y ago

Java/Kotlin mix, I believe

fermienrico 6y ago
That's another thing, Java apps just feel heavy. Like its got a couple of kilos of lead attached to it. Ever used Eclipse IDE? Holycrap. Also, Eclipse and Jet Brains software feel more similar to each other and now that you mentioned Java, that makes sense.
- meddlepal 6y ago
  Have you actually ever used IntelliJ? It doesn't feel "heavy" compared to say Visual Studio (the real one, not Code).
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    I haven't used IntelliJ per se but I've used CLion which is similar sofware from Jet Brains. To me, both feel super heavy.
    - new_realist 6y ago
      They’ve piled everything on the UI thread like a freshman, now they are paying the price.
    - TylerE 6y ago
      It's not similar, it's the exact same code, just with features turned off. If I open a C project in IntelliJ it's literally the CLion plug-in.
  - tomc1985 6y ago
    VS on small projects feels pretty light. It's only on the larger projects and maybe Resharper in the mix that it becomes difficult
  - TylerE 6y ago
    I have used IntelliJ for years. I have found nothing I prefer to it. It is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, heavier than depleted uranium.

jvolkman 6y ago

No, it's based on Java's Swing.

rubber_duck 6y ago

Visual Studio is, JetBrains is JVM - but still closer to native than DOM.

Avi-D-coder 6y ago
How is Swing closer to native than DOM?
- tomc1985 6y ago
  For one, Swing isn't build on top of technologies that specialize in displaying interactive documents
  - Avi-D-coder 6y ago
    Intuitively it it feels like that should make swing faster, but experientially swing feels heavy and slow. Is swing poorly optimized, is it due to being in Java? I'm not a UI dev and have not thought about it much.
    - tomc1985 6y ago
      I'd agree that Swing feels heavy... but Electron feels an order of magnitude heavier. Though, when done right, it feels fairly close to native. I earn my pay working with IDEA and if you turn off the plugins you don't need its actually quite snappy where you would reasonably expect it to be. I would bet it takes far less optimization to get there than an equivalent Electron application
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  You aren't sandboxed - you can reach out to native API/code if you hit some limits, you have threads, etc.